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Channel log from 14 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<amitbiswas>
hi there
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is there any one have been working with ltsp4.2 with ubuntu
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is there any help available
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????
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????
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<neuralis>
amitbiswas: if you put more question marks, more people will help you.
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<amitbiswas>
sorry i am not quite sure is there any one available
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i have installed ltsp4.2 on my ubuntu 6.06
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i am able to configure every thing except rdesktop script
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i am not quite sure is there any help available on this subject
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<neuralis>
none of the people who are familiar with ltsp on ubuntu are around now.
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<amitbiswas>
sorry to ask is there any where i can leave my questions over or what is the good time to catch ubuntu ltsp gurus
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thanks guys
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catch you all later
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bye for now
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<ribbo>
Hi, how would I configure a old 9 port DIN mouse? (ie. looks like large PS/2 conector) have tried X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto"
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X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0"
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in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<McPolo>
ribbo: Try different protocol. But it's so long since I had a serial mouse, so .. =)
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ribbo: Make sure com-ports are not disabled in BIOS. Then you could also try ttyS1
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<ribbo>
McPolo: thanks. we did try ttyS1 and Microsoft / Logitech - possible that the board or mouse is faulty or that it as disabled in BIOS. (this was offsite - will chec with person there) - thanks
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<arnadelo>
hola alguien que hable castellano
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<felipe_>
Helo ..
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I'm having some problems with an us-deadkeys keyboard on LTSP 4.2 (Ubuntu Dapper)
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The deadkeys doesn't work
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I tried XkbModel = "pc105"
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and XkbLayout = "us_intl"
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but it doesn't work
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<McPolo>
felipe_: What about putting nodeadkeys -variable into settings?
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<felipe_>
hum .. I'm gonna try it
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<felipe_>
McPolo: it didn't work
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If I pree ' and A it gives me 'A , but it should give me Á
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*press
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<McPolo>
Oh.
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I misunderstood you :). I thought you wanted nodeadkeys :)
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<felipe_>
hehe
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my poor english is gonna kill me ! I'm from Brazil
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<McPolo>
pc105 .. isn't there less keys in US keyboard?
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<felipe_>
This configurations was working fine with ltsp 3
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<McPolo>
Well I suppose that problem does not concern ltsp at all, but I might be wrong.
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<galiza>
Hi...I want some help about ltsp 4.2 localdevices (lbus_event_handler errors)
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<galiza>
anybody could help me?
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<felipe_>
Any other sugestion about us deadkeys keyboards
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?
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<McPolo>
galiza: I had some problems with it, but IIRC it happened because I didn't have lbussd running.
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<galiza>
When I try to mount anything using /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh I got a error: Authentication Failed
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I'm using LDAP in my box
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<cliebow_>
k
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<PMantis>
Hey sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Morning PMantis
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<pscheie>
g'morning Scoot Beavens
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<sbalneav>
Morning!
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<PMantis>
sbalneav, Hey I got this md device that's flipping out - thin a drive is desd
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sbalneav, Kidding. ;)
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<sbalneav>
Taking typing lessons from cliebow? :)
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<PMantis>
Heh
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It's called aging
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<pscheie>
I wondered if he meant a DASD device...
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<PMantis>
md
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as in mdadm
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<sbalneav>
If he was talking about a DASD device, then he WOULD be showing his age. :)
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<PMantis>
Multi-Disk
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<pscheie>
as am I
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<sbalneav>
I am too. So we're all old farts, lets move on... :)
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<PMantis>
Ohhhh! LOL desd.. no no s/desd/dead/
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<sbalneav>
So, anything new and exciting here in #ltsp?
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Looks like Sun GPL'd Java! Thats some interesting news.
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<pablo_arg>
alguien de habla hispana?
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<PMantis>
OOOhhhhhhh
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GLD Java? That'll change a lot of things
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sbalneav, jammcq around?
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<pscheie>
sbalneav: Does LDA require the local device to be partitioned because we deal with it at the file system level (fuse)?
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<sbalneav>
Yup.
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I only handle partitioned media.
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The stuff that's in LTSP5 will handle both, though.
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<pscheie>
Cool! How?
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<sbalneav>
fancier udev magic.
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<PMantis>
sbalneav, Oh... duh... I figured it out... but I still have a Q for jammcq if he's avail. :)
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<pablo_arg>
i have a problem whit syslogd: cannot write to remote file handle on. Help
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<PMantis>
pablo_arg, That won't prevent a client from booting. However, if you want to see the thin client logs on the server, you need to make a little adjustment.
09:23
pablo_arg, Are the thin clients able to boot?
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<pablo_arg>
no. a client no boot and error mount /dev/ram1 failed
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<sbalneav>
pablo_arg: How much memory do you have in the clients?
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<PMantis>
pablo_arg, I'm not sure if I can help personally, but what Distro? Ubuntu?
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<pablo_arg>
the memory is 256 in clients, distro: Mandrake 10.2
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<sbalneav>
pablo_arg: Exactly at what point is it on the screen? Can you give us a little more context?
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<pablo_arg>
sbalneav: syslogd: cannot write to remote file handle on 192.168.x.x
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<sbalneav>
pablo_arg: OK, well, to fix that one, you need to add the "-r" option to the syslog config on the server. I'm not sure how you do that on Mandrake, look in /etc/defaults for a syslogd file, or, perhaps it's in /etc/init.d/syslog startup.
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<jammcq>
ok, so I got this shiny new socket wrench set, and I want to build a F-16 jet fighter. could someone please help?
09:34* sbalneav throws a box end wrench at jammcq :)
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<pscheie>
I understand Macs come with their own fighterjets
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<sbalneav>
Oh, our mister JBW from the lists?
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<pscheie>
sbalneav: I thought your response was uncharacteristacally subdued ;-)
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<sbalneav>
I'll spend some time to correct someone who's slightly off base, but this guys on a whole separate planet. I felt an admission of failure was the best approach. He goes away feeling vastly superior, that he's shown up a bunch of boffins.
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<pablo_arg>
sbalneav: i probe whit here, but not work
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<pscheie>
Yeah, guess he showed us.
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<sbalneav>
pablo_arg: You'll have to search around on the man page for syslog. You want to enable remote logging
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doh
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<pscheie>
sbalneav & jammcq: are you guys going to dtrask's NELS thing next June?
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<sbalneav>
pscheie: I just have very little patience for people with attitude. I spend a LOT of my time helping people for free, and giving away, gratis, software that I right. Darnint, for that, if people want to ask me a question, they should have the decency to ask it politely. If they don't they get the sharp end of my tounge :)
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pscheie: Unknown at this time, for me at least.
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<pscheie>
Or will I be able to shmooze you into coming to Mpls. again?
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<sbalneav>
pscheie: Minneapolis is easy for me, because it's just a drive.
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<pscheie>
Well, keep Mpls. in June in mind--I don't have dates yet but I'm working on the agenda
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<sbalneav>
Cool
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<pscheie>
I'd like to get the guys from Atlanta to come up and talk about how they used LTSP to get to a 2:1 ratio in the classroom
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and how it's just not possible to get there with Win or Mac, fighter jet or no
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Do you anticipate ltsp5 will be available in the springtime?
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<jammcq>
it's available now
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just install Ubuntu-Edgy
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it's also in debian
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<pscheie>
I got Kubuntu-Edgy downloaded last week. Tried the live CD but haven't had time to install yet.
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So, what's on the feature list for 5, besides dealing with unpartitioned USB sticks?
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I'm remembering last year's NCLS conference in which we had to talk about K12LTSP 4.x and 5.x since 4 was more stable but 5 had the cool LDA
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<pscheie>
and wondering if we'll have to do the same 'straddling' again in '07
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<Gadi>
morning, all
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<sbalneav>
Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<ludmil>
I have a problem with ltsp and kubuntu edgy
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when running ltspadmin
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it complains about inittab
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but it seems to work
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and when i try to boot with vmware
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nothing happens
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and by the way there is "no" on dhcpd in ltspcfg
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but it is runnig
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enyone has ideas?
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<cliebow_>
mil:you are using edgy's ltsp?
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<ludmil>
i think no
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i followed ltspguide.pdf
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<bill_c>
yay I'm caught up and work and can play again :)
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at work*
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I made a gtk volume control (slider), that over ssh sets aumix-minimal levels. I would like to extend ltspinfod to handel the execing of aumix-minimal
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what would be a good way to do security? was thinking of using xauthority file or something
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<Gadi>
bill_c: hey! I'm glad you can come out and play again!
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<cliebow_>
bill_c:Hey!!
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<rjune>
norning b ill
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<bill_c>
y0
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<rjune>
how goes it?
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<cliebow_>
bill_c: where are ya with ppc 4.2?
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<bill_c>
cliebow, getting my imac repaired (if it can), openfirmware is corrupt
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cliebow, my g3 (bluetower) won't build ltsp, same code on the dead g4 does
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<cliebow_>
bill_c:Wow..never come across corrupt openfirm
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bill_c:i been running ibooks to ltsp via linux dhcp fine..and blue bondis to ltsp via weindows dhcp..but danged if i can getr ibooks to lad yaboot from windows dhcp
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<moquist>
cliebow_: hey
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<cliebow_>
moquist:Hey!!
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<moquist>
cliebow_: yay!
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<cliebow_>
Huzzah!
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<moquist>
cliebow_: I lost those login scripts you gave me when my HDD crashed.
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<cliebow_>
i put em on the wiki
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<moquist>
cliebow_: Any chance I can get 'em again?
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yay!
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URL!
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?
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<cliebow_>
it is in wiki.ltsp.org under..err
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win8integration
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<moquist>
win98integration?
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sorry, I'm dumb. I need the whole URL...
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<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration#Redirecting_My_Documents_using_n
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<moquist>
cliebow_: thx
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<cliebow_>
sure thing
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<moquist>
ogra: hiya
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<ogra>
heya
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<cliebow_>
ogra:!!!
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<spader3d>
hi
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<sbalneav>
Hey ogra! How's the conference?
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<cliebow_>
heu boffins
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<spader3d>
do ne1 know how much Bandwidth is needed to start a ts session?
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<sbalneav>
spader3d: Well, if you're running xterms, not much. If you're doing full motion video, a lot.
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<ogra>
sbalneav, busy
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<spader3d>
not much is like less than 2 Mb
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?
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<ogra>
didnt leave me much time yet for doing work
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<sbalneav>
2 mb/s? Way less.
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Like 2 kb/s
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ogra: That's ok, I've started on some things.
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When you get back, we'll hit the pavement running.
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<ogra>
i'v uploaded the initial puse package yesterday
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<sbalneav>
puse?
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Pulse?
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<ogra>
but thats about all work i got done ... we're not allowed to use out laptops during the morning sessions ...
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yep
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pulse
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<spader3d>
so a ltsp-client can start with this ammount of BW?
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<sbalneav>
spader3d: Instead of me trying to play "guess the bandwidth", why don't you tell me what you're trying to do, and I'll tell you if it will work.
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<ogra>
it will be able to start with some KB, it will just be very slow :)
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<sbalneav>
No, you'll need more bandwidth to get it started, as you've got to download the linux kernel, and NFS mount root, etc etc etc.
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ogra: Is pulse in Universe for Feisty? Should I setup a fiesty box?
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<ogra>
as long as the packages all get through it should work ... but who would want a 30 minute boot ;)
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<spader3d>
I wonder if it is possible to do ltsp over my local DSl network
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<ogra>
sbalneav, yep, but it doesnt work right yet ... and somehow the esd mode clashes with the hack we have for the flash plugin ... so it needs more work first
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spader3d, if you want to wait for minutes after every click ...
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it is technically possible, but surely totally unusable ..
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<sbalneav>
spader3d: No, that won't work. A thin client broadcasts for an IP address and a kernel, and that won't go "over the internet" like that.
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<spader3d>
it is possible to download a program like vlc with the ltsp?
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<ogra>
ah, right, the dhcp part wont work over DSL ...
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<sbalneav>
You'd be better off to try to make a live boot cd with FreeNX on it, and connect over the internet that way.
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<spader3d>
ok
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If you're doing full motion video, a lot -> is it possible to offer tv with ltsp?
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<ogra>
with ltsp 5 you should be able to run a mythtv frontend on the client ...
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but be aware that it needs a lot of fiddling
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(myth on its own isnt an easy task ...)
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<jake>
hello
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I got problems while compiling glibc on lbe..
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it fails while calculating size of long double..
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I'm running with gentoo..
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glibc-2.5 with nptl & nptlonly..
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<sbalneav>
jake: Hmmm, jammcq'd be the fellow to help you with that one.
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<jake>
okay..
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it would be just my luck that he
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would be sleeping right now :)
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jammcq: hi.
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<cliebow_>
jake:better be nice
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<jake>
? I thought I'm being nice.. Currently googling with jammcq ( jim mcquillan ) to find older irc logs about this issue..
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as when googling this, I found out I'm not only one with this..
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But unfortunately I didn't find a solution..
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But I do interact in many projects.. not in devs, but as for joy of my own, it's nice to improve yourself, right? Well, it's pretty common luck for me, that if I need help from someone, she/he ain't online at that moment.. kinda got used to that..
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<sbalneav>
heh, you're being fine. Jammcq's probably out for a bit.
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Are you subscribed to the mailing list?
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Might want to post the bug on there as well.
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<cliebow_>
jake: what version of gcc?
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<jake>
But unfortunately I didn't find a solution..?
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sorry
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was supposed to say..
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It uses version it fetches, right?
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<cliebow_>
no
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<jake>
It compiles gcc first partially, so it's enough to compile glibc?
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<cliebow_>
not at first
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<jake>
Well, I have gcc-4.1.1 but it can't be used, so I tried with gcc-3.4.6-r?
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<cliebow_>
i had to add gcc3.4 to my breezy to get it to compile
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<jake>
should I try with gcc-3.4.5?
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oops..
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can't..
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I forgot I removed 3.4.5
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<cliebow_>
dont want to send you on wild goose chase..as luck would have it i was sitting next to jammcq when i did it
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<knitoperu>
Hi to everyone
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We have a k12ltsp network and we are planning our power system
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somebody knows how much watts does a thin client consumes?
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<knitoperu>
does a thin client needs voltage regulator?
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and, if a thin client goes out of power (a black out or missfunction like a kick in the outlet) is there a way to recover his session?
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It would be a real good thing that We can put a UPS in our server, and if a balckout comes, a guy in the server could log in every session and save the work!!!
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<knitoperu>
Or if light comes back quickly, when thin client comes back could login in the unclosed session
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<vagrantc>
you'd need vnc or freenx to do something like that.
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<knitoperu>
but It would be a very cool feature!!!
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It would rock! agains workstarions
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<ogra>
we were discussing such a feature with the xorg upstream guys at the ubuntu conference last week, it needs some very heavy changes to X to make it happen
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but the idea is there and might be implemented some day
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until then an X proxy or vnc are your best options
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<knitoperu>
If I run a vnc server in every session... It will not die when thin client powers off?
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<ogra>
nope .... as long as the server keeps running its fine ... but vnc isnt really useable, it eats a lot of bandwith
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i'd rather go with something like xmove
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it enables you to use a real X proxy
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in ubuntu its unmaitained though, dunno what the status in redhat is ...
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<knitoperu>
I will dig in this side
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thankyou for your help
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<ogra>
you're welcome :)
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<vagrantc>
anyone have some non-x86, non-powerpc, non-amd64 hardware to test ltsp debian packages on?
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<ogra>
hppa clients ?
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(thats what the world needs :) )
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i think the problem you detected with the --arch code for amd64 is fatal on other architectures.
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but i'd like to confirm it before uploading packages.
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though, i'm so certain, i think i'll just go for it and keep it at low priority.
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<ogra>
i only have that three arches available, apart from my old SGI indigo which has no opportunity to get linux on it ...
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<vagrantc>
why not?
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(the SGI Indigo)
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<ogra>
well, because i'm to lazy to do a serial console based install
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<vagrantc>
heh.
19:44
it's (moderately) easy.
19:44* vagrantc plays with serial consoles all the time.
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<ogra>
it has no support for the graphics card at all, so i tend to keep irix on it to be able to use the machine (even if i dont do that at all anymore)
19:45
it still has a fully licensed version of the old netscape server ;)
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<jammcq>
howdy kids
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<aaron|feldman>
hi all
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I'm having a little bit of a sound problem
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Installed ALSA support
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seems like the sound server locks on one application to the exclusion of others
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on the server too
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ltdp 4.2 fc5 on K12ltsp
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ltsp 4.2 rather
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