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Channel log from 5 September 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<horochovec>
johnny see ?
00:00
<johnny>
yes.. that looks fine
00:00
next question..
00:00
are you running any OTHER dhcp server on this lan?
00:01
<horochovec>
no no
00:02
and i'm using a notebook with windows vista and i'm using this dhcpd ..
00:02
the dhcp server running normal..
00:02
<johnny>
so the ip it got, is within the ip range for your dhcp server?
00:02
ok.. try connecting to the tftp server directly
00:03
<horochovec>
well
00:03
i dont no
00:03
;/
00:03
<johnny>
well.. look at the screen :)
00:07
<horochovec>
johnny
00:07
root@servidor:/tftpboot/ltsp# tftp localhost
00:07
tftp>
00:07
normal..
00:09
but i try to get the ltst/pxelinux.0 and dont work
00:11
<johnny>
get ltsp/pxelinux.0
00:11
that doesn't work?
00:11
<horochovec>
no
00:11
;/
00:14
<johnny>
hmm.. can the tftp user read them..
00:19
<horochovec>
well
00:19
my problem is the tftp ?
00:25
<johnny>
or the dhcp provided path isn't being seen by your client
00:26
try to write down some more of the output from when it tries to network boot
00:27
altho if you see the part that shows it trying to look for for file based on mac addresses, you can ignore that
00:39
<horochovec>
johnny
00:40
the boot works now..
00:40
but dont show the desktop mode..
00:41
<johnny>
what does it show/
00:42
<horochovec>
shell console
00:42
but the login dont work
00:42
normal and root user
00:42
<johnny>
uhmm.. any errors?
00:44
<horochovec>
i will restarting thin client
00:44
the first look i dont see anything about erros
00:44
two erros
00:44
mount failed to selinuxfs
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01:11
<kwak>
i don't see why my clients are not working now. i checked the eth0 configuration if it has the BRIDGE=ltspbr0 line (it's there)
01:12
checked dhcpd if running (running), but clients not getting login screen.
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01:27
<warren>
kwak: brctl show
01:27
kwak: do you see eth0 as part of ltspbr0?
01:30
<kwak>
warren, i issued the commandl brstl show, but command not found
01:30
<warren>
kwak: brctl show
01:30
kwak: as root
01:31
kwak: /usr/sbin/brctl show
01:31* warren sleep
01:32
<kwak>
i only see ltspbr0 and pan0
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01:33
<kwak>
ok this answers it, but it worked last night until i restarted the server.
01:36
<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
01:42
<johnny>
so close to getting localdev to work.. :(
01:43
<cyberorg>
johnny, need help? :)
01:50
<johnny>
i'm missing /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
01:51
aha.. it showed up
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01:54
<johnny>
it looks like the udev rule isn't firing
01:56
hmm.. so.. i try to start it up manually on the ldm socket
01:56
and i get "Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN"
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01:56
<johnny>
even though i see a token right here.
02:01
<kwak>
well, ok FC9/LTSP5 looks like will not work for me for now. switching back to CentOS
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02:11
<cyberorg>
johnny, you have mcookie thing running?
02:12
<johnny>
running constantly?
02:12
<cyberorg>
no, just once
02:12
<johnny>
uhmm.. i can't tell ? i assume it did
02:13
<cyberorg>
mcookie > /var/run/ltspfs_token
02:13
<johnny>
i have both ldm-xauth- and ltspfs_token
02:13
<cyberorg>
it runs from init scripts
02:13
<johnny>
i have something in ltspfs_token
02:13
<cyberorg>
see ltsp-init-common
02:13
<johnny>
that seems to run
02:15
i see it that it does run, and i have ltspfsd running, and cdpinger
02:16
<cyberorg>
you have LOCAL_APPS=true in lts.conf?
02:16
<johnny>
huh?
02:16
local devices
02:16
what does local_apps have to do with it?
02:16
<cyberorg>
LOCALDEV=True
02:16
<johnny>
no need
02:16
it defaults to true
02:16
it runs everything that proves that is such
02:16
<cyberorg>
ok
02:17
try udevtrigger and see if ltsp_fstab get populated
02:18
<johnny>
that works
02:19
udevadm trigger tho
02:20
they have no contents
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02:27
<johnny>
got it..
02:27
now.. why isn't udev seeing the event..
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03:06
<ltsppbot>
"vmlintu" pasted "nxagent benchmarks rejected by sourceforge" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/59
03:07
<vmlintu>
cyberorg: I did some benchmarking with nxagent if you are interested. SF.net seems to be refusing any message that says "**agent improves performance", so I'm givin up on the mailing lists..
03:09
<cyberorg>
vmlintu, you can post a link to pastebin on the ML :)
03:09
vmlintu, any benchmarks for server load with many clients?
03:09
your tests look impressive :)
03:10
i'll be adding your script to our packages in case someone wants to run via nxagent, they would just have to enable it from lts.conf
03:10
<vmlintu>
We did some tests with live users but as logins started to fail because of some permission problems, we had to revert back really quickly
03:10
<cyberorg>
it should get upstreamed
03:11
<vmlintu>
The CPU overhead seems to be minimal, though
03:11
memory usage is something I'm more worried about
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03:12
<vmlintu>
Basically it reduces the memory usage on the thin client and uses more memory on the server to draw the X display
03:12
<cyberorg>
could this be somehow be extended to easily use nxproxy for compressed x traffic?
03:12
<vmlintu>
Using nxproxy requires using nxclient, I think
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03:15
<vmlintu>
The nice thing about nxagent is that it still talks with normal X protocol to the thin client, nxproxy uses the NX protocol instead
03:16
<cyberorg>
ah didnt know that, i liked how it worked with nxagent, localdev, apps etc all worked as normal
03:17
<vmlintu>
It might be possible to get the session transfers working with nxagent, though
03:17
Of cource localdevs, sound etc would need changes too, but nxagent should support session persistency + transfer to new display
03:24
http://web01.nomachine.com/documentation/building-components.php
03:27
<cyberorg>
yeah saw that, i am not too clear how all the pieces work together till i actually see it in action, your nxagent stuff was easy to implement :)
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03:28
<vmlintu>
If you have a chance to do any benchmarking, I'm all ears
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03:42
<johnny>
ok.. got stuff in there :)
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05:30
<exp2_>
how i can install nvidia drivers to ltsp5 and 7.10? I have tried to install nvidia-glx to chroot and used XSERVER=nvidia on lts.conf. But i still can get it work
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05:34
<ogra>
exp2_, you also need linux-restricted-modules in the chroot (note that takes up 15-25M of extra ram)
05:38
<exp2_>
got it now
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05:52
<isojussi>
is it possible to connect scanner to client in ltsp5 and 7.10?
05:53
it worked in 4.2, but ltsp is different
05:53
ltsp5
05:54
<ogra>
shouldnt be to different ... afaik you need to install the sane stuff in the chroot and export the right global variable
05:54
the way should be similar
05:55
<isojussi>
http://bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_ltsp_ltsp5scanning found this aricle, but it is for debian
05:56
<ogra>
debian was based on the ubuntu ltsp in 7.10 (today we are rather equivalent as more developmen comes from debian than ubuntu)
05:57
s/in 7,10/up to 7.10/
05:57
<Nubae>
yeah works fine on hardy, last I checked worked for a hp psc all in one running on a client
05:59
<ogra>
just keep in mond that ubuntu uses nbd/squashfs from 7.10 on ... so after all your modification in the chroot you have to run ltsp-update-image ... beyond that the howto should work
05:59
<isojussi>
there is no file inetd.conf in /etc/
06:00
<ogra>
well, then nstall the inetd :)
06:01
i wonder why its in debian by default ... that a security hole ....
06:01
*thats
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06:07
<Nubae>
hmmm in the ltsp manual, should I add how to do authentication via ldap?
06:07
like the full steps for the client side
06:07
its not that much and it seems to something people ask about a lot
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06:16* Nubae takes out all of thin client manager from documentation and instead urges users to install italc
06:24
<ogra>
in an addednum section ... and note that we generally dont require *any* additional auth mechanism please
06:25
we try hard to avoid having to use things like ldap when we develop so people should really only use it if they desperately need it
06:25
the wording should make them aware of that fact
06:26
<Nubae>
ok, the only place I see it being quite important is for fat clients
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06:27
<Nubae>
what about ital install instructions... should I add those?
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06:35
<ogra>
apt-get install italc-client ?
06:35
sure why not
06:35
note that edubuntu-desktop brings it by default
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07:31
<Nubae>
ogra: problem is the ltsp manual is supposed to be distribution non-specific... so can I write... either apt-get install italc-client on debian/ubuntu and yum install italc-client on Fedora
07:31
or... what would be even better...
07:31
get people to install smart
07:31
and then everyone could have the same install instructions for apps
07:33
ogra: is all the chroot stuff enabled by default on hardy for italc?
07:33
<cyberorg>
Nubae, nothing is required in client chroot
07:34
<Nubae>
was before... so now its all there by default?
07:35
<cyberorg>
italc can run two ways, one is where all the clients are running on the server itself, another is to install in chroot and run from there
07:35
ica launch script that is in suse and ubuntu is smart and launches the client accordingly
07:36
and all the clients are auto detected by italc manager, thanks to stgraber :)
07:36
<Nubae>
ok so instructions are install italc-client and italc-manager
07:37
<cyberorg>
just installing italc, italc-client and italc-master on the server is enough
07:37
<ogra>
the default should be to *not* install in the chrot
07:38
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/iTALC
07:38
<Nubae>
cyberorg: what do u think of the idea of having a common packet management system across distros, like smart
07:38
<ogra>
you *can* install it in the chroot and gain additional feature
07:38
s
07:38
<Nubae>
ogra: which additional features?
07:38
<cyberorg>
Nubae, with 1-click users dont have to know what technology they are using :)
07:38
ogra, just shutdown is additional
07:39
<Nubae>
cyberorg: thats great, except when I look at the instructions on italc for suse, it doesnt use one click to install
07:39
<ogra>
ah, right
07:39
shutdown/reboot
07:39
<cyberorg>
yeah that too :)
07:39* cyberorg prefers command line ;)
07:39
<Nubae>
think anyone managing a ltsp server is going to need the command line whether they like it or not
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07:40
<Nubae>
but if smart was installed by default on all, it would be very easy to explain install instructions for all apps
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07:41
<ogra>
in ubuntu: click add/remove in the menu, type italc-client into the rearch bar, set the check in the checkbox and follow the instructions
07:41
*search bar
07:41
<Nubae>
yeah, that multiplies the instructions * distro...
07:41
<cyberorg>
smart does not do delta rpm, mixed arch repos, package bundles and many other useful things only a native package manager can have
07:42
<ogra>
and you never know how well its maintained in any of the distros
07:42
i dont think (even though we employ the original author) it is massively well maintained in ubuntu
07:42
<Nubae>
supposedly its quite active... at least the developers of it seem confident =)
07:43
<ogra>
well, the question is which upstream release is in the distros
07:43
that might vary a lot from distro to distro
07:44
so i wouldnt recommend smart as the general distro independent tool
07:44
<cyberorg>
all distros would have 1-click install sooner or later
07:45
<Nubae>
ogra: that is something that can be verified pretty easily
07:45
what other options are there?
07:45
<ogra>
use the distro packaging tools
07:45
which is what i would go for
07:45
its the safe path
07:45
<Nubae>
the whole manual is written command line based... so 1 click install is out
07:45
<cyberorg>
Nubae, packagekit would be standard interface across all distros
07:46
<ogra>
well, then apt-get for ubuntu/debian, yum for the others
07:46
and ask johnny for gentoo ... no idea how to do it there
07:46
<Nubae>
yum is default for suse too?
07:46
<cyberorg>
ogra, zypper for suse, emerge for gentoo :)
07:46
<Nubae>
sigh...
07:46
<ogra>
or leave it out ;)
07:46
the details i mean
07:47
<cyberorg>
you can put links to distros wiki for italc installation instructions
07:47
<ogra>
"for client session maintenance we recommend to use italc, install it with the package management tool of your distro"
07:47
cyberorg, thats a bit tricky
07:47
<Nubae>
ogra: that seems the best solution...
07:47
<ogra>
we want to be able to ship ltsp-doc packages from that
07:48
so links might not be appropriate depending what output format you use for your package
07:48
<Nubae>
yeah we cant put exceptions for every suse related thing... the manual is already 2* bigger...
07:48
<ogra>
input is docbook ... that can end up as txt as well as pdf or html
07:48
or xml
07:48
<cyberorg>
Nubae, not just suse related :)
07:48
<ogra>
well
07:49
<Nubae>
as I understand it... ubuntu and debian are identical, fedora and gentoo different, and suse very different
07:49
<ogra>
i'd really keep distro specifis out there
07:49
<Nubae>
but maybe I'm wrong...
07:50
<ogra>
else it wouldnt ,ake sense that we all standardize on things like ltsp-build-client
07:50
the handbook should really only cover the ltsp scripts, lts.conf and give hints to apps you can install
07:50
<cyberorg>
yeah
07:50
<ogra>
admins should know how to use their own package manager
07:51
keep it as generic as you can
07:51
in the end its called ltsp-doc ... not ltsp-doc-ubuntu or ltsp-doc-fedora or some such
07:51
<Nubae>
ogra: thats what I'm trying... just realised the ldap stuff has to go out now... cause thats totally ubuntu specific
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07:52
<ogra>
its a bzr tree of xml files, if distro docteams what to enhance that they can easily merge their specific help docs
07:52
a package build time
07:52
*at
07:52
<cyberorg>
ogra, or do an appendix with their nuances
07:52
<ogra>
right
07:52
as they like
07:52
but such stuff doesnt belong upstream imho
07:53
<cyberorg>
Nubae, would have had a hard time if there were 50 more distros shipping ltsp :)
07:53
<ogra>
yeah
07:53
<Nubae>
managing users and groups... in the manual it talks about tcm... this needs to be replaced by command line to be non distro specific
07:54
<ogra>
adduser
07:54
<Nubae>
right
07:54
<ogra>
should be on every distro
07:54
<cyberorg>
useradd
07:55
no way to beat this kind of thing
07:55
<ogra>
eeek
07:55
no, please dont
07:56
useradd should *never ever* be used manually ... its a tool for admin scripts ... adduser is usually preconfigured for the distro defaults
07:56
<cyberorg>
ogra, we dont have adduser, we have useradd, special user management utils that does NIS and ldap as well
07:56
<Nubae>
Lns wrote a nice little manual on how to add users, end processes that kinda thing... I'm going to include his instructions...
07:56
<ogra>
like adding the user to the default groups etc
07:56
*sigh*
07:56
<Nubae>
sigh indeed
07:56
<ogra>
i know adduser is on debian, fedora, ubuntu
07:57
and used as the backend tool for all GUIs
07:57
<Nubae>
use adduser (unless on Suse)
07:57
:-)
07:57
<ogra>
heh
07:57
<cyberorg>
http://www.thkukuk.de/pam/pwdutils/
07:57
<ogra>
for ubuntu i wuldnt like that handbook anyway
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07:57
<ogra>
there was a reason why the edubuntu handbook it inherits from mostly pointed out the gui tools
07:58
seeing that dropped doesnt really make me happy
07:58
<Nubae>
its not totally gui, its a mix of gui and command line
07:58
<ogra>
riht
07:58
<Nubae>
Im dropping everything gui just to make it simpler
07:58
<ogra>
but gui should be the preferred way in ubuntu
07:58
<Nubae>
and also for other reasons
07:58
<ogra>
so its not of much use for me
07:58
<Nubae>
there is few gui stuff now
07:58
<cyberorg>
Nubae, just say use your distros user management utilities
07:58
<Nubae>
gui was user managament, tcm, etc
07:58
<ogra>
yeah
07:59
distros user management utilities
07:59
<cyberorg>
if someone is setting up ltsp server they should know what it means
07:59
<ogra>
sounds sane
07:59
<Nubae>
you guys give admins too much credit... they want instructions...
07:59
<ogra>
most want a point and click way nowadays
08:00
only hardcore lunix admins or maintainers of huge installs want it differently
08:00
<Nubae>
ltsp is not point and click :-)
08:00
<ogra>
well, it should
08:00
we're just not there yet
08:00
<Nubae>
that'll be the day...
08:00
<cyberorg>
Nubae, hey we made it, or didnt you see the video?
08:01* ogra has ltsp-build-client gui tools he simply didnt package yet
08:01
<ogra>
and i hope at some point someone really finishes ltsp-manager
08:01
<cyberorg>
ogra, easy-ltsp is modular, so each distros can add their modules to build images
08:01
<ogra>
additionally there is ltsp-shell which opens a gui shell
08:02
(was supposed to be integrated in ltsp-manager)
08:02
as well as a good bunch of other ltsp gui tools that were supposed to be integrated)
08:02
cyberorg, well, i would have preferrred to not reinvent the wheel
08:03
there were tons of started projects by people that just could have been integrated
08:03
but your project, your decision
08:03
its just sad that so much work has been done twice
08:04
i fpeople want to use easy-ltsp they indeed can
08:04
and i hope we have a package in ubuntu for intrepid+1 throuh your effort with MOTU
08:05
i'll be not the one to pick it up though ... if i put time in i will finish ltsp-manager to not have wasted the work on it (whic i was hoping to happen through your SoC project)
08:05
<cyberorg>
ogra, well we didnt have anything working
08:06
easy-ltsp works now, and is consciously made distribution independent
08:06
<ogra>
it would have been less than a week of work to write the backend modules
08:06
<cyberorg>
every feature that i could imagine from lts configuration manager is now in there
08:06
<ogra>
and i will do that at some point
08:07
ltsp-manager was simply developed top down with some really revolutionary UI interaction things i dont want to lose
08:07
sadly you cant show such stuff in screenshots
08:07
<cyberorg>
jan was more keen on working on c# as it was quicker for him to implement our designs, i would not have had any issues if he wanted to complete ltsp-manager
08:08
<ogra>
right
08:08
<cyberorg>
he also had a look at webmin module and other old stuff
08:08
<ogra>
i dont want to put blame on anyone for anything :)
08:08
*shudder*
08:08
webmin
08:08* ogra is happy thats abandoned from debian and ubunru since years
08:08
<ogra>
*ubuntu
08:08
<cyberorg>
ogra, you know how much work we demanded from him in such a short time, he delivered everything
08:09
<ogra>
yeha, as i said, i dont complain ...
08:09
<cyberorg>
:)
08:09
<ogra>
my expectations when you said "we'll have a SoC to finish ltsp-manager" were just different
08:09
its good if the users have something
08:10
<cyberorg>
i hope everyone understands that no one told him to work on mono, as i can't code all devel languages are same to me
08:10
<ogra>
but i wont drop ltsp-manager since i dont see any of the UI advantages it has in easy-ltsp
08:11
but easy-ltsp does the job
08:11
<cyberorg>
ogra, that was the idea as yours looked a good base to start, after going over our feature request jan thought it better to write from scratch, as all the meeting transcripts would show
08:11
<ogra>
and thats a very good thing :)
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<cyberorg>
yeah let user trip over all the choices as linuxhater would put it :)
08:13
warren, is going to write one in python too :)
08:13
<ogra>
right
08:13
and after all ltsp-manager is not done anyway
08:13
anyway
08:13* ogra has to rush out
08:14
<cyberorg>
ciao :)
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<cyberorg>
Nubae, you should get in touch with k12linux people too, they are working on docs too
08:19
http://petre.homedns.org/f9-ltsp/
08:24
<Nubae>
thats a bit too k12 specific though...
08:24
Warren knows I'm working ltsp non distro specific documentation...
08:25
only distro specific thing is install instructions
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<zamba>
i need a way of remotely turning off a set of computers.. a corresponding WoL if you'd like
08:30
<laga>
a long broom handle?
08:31
<Blinny>
heh
08:31
<zamba>
hehe
08:32
<cyberorg>
zamba, fl_teachertool and italc both can turn off clients
08:32
<zamba>
cyberorg: ok.. thanks.. i'll check it out
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<_UsUrpAwAy_>
I'm having a problem SSH'ing to my server from my client. The client seems to enter a wrong password twice, then close any outgoing SSH connection.
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<_UsUrpAwAy_>
I'm sorry, It's ssh'ing from client to server
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08:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
Let me re-type this -- I am having a problem SSH'ing from my client to my server. As I SSH from the client (which has a SCREEN_02 = shell option in lts.conf) using the second terminal on the client, it denies my SSH request outright.
08:48
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, what denies the server or the client?
08:50
<zamba>
i need to enable the root account and the ssh server in my ltsp client running in kiosk mode.. how can i do this in the image?
08:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: it appears to be the server, but it only denies clients.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: I am able to SSH in to the server on the same ETH card and IP if I put my laptop on that network portion
08:53
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, check /var/log/messages on the server as well as client when logging in
08:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: sure. It there anything in particular I should be looking for?
08:54
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, ssh requests should show up on the server if client is at least trying
08:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: they are showing up in the auth.log file
08:55
cyberorg: as two attempted incoming ssh requests to the server from the client's IP address on incrementing port numbers.
08:56
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, does restarting sshd help?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: Negative. Restarting changes nothing.
08:58
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, do you get password prompt on the client again?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: negative. The attempt is denied outright when attempted from the client with the error: Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied (publickey,password).
09:00
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, try ssh -vvv serverip
09:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
Ok. Would you like me to type what I am seeing?
09:02
<cyberorg>
no, it might give you some clue :)
09:03
-v is virbose, -vv is more verbose
09:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: I have checked -vvv already. It appears the client has entered three incorrect passwords, and it has failed to authenticate.
09:04
cyberorg: the thing that gets me is: I have images that work already. I just created this image yesterday to replicate a customer's setup.
09:04
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, check NumberOfPasswordPrompts in /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the client
09:05
_UsUrPeR_, you entered password three times?
09:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: there is no line entered for NumberOfPasswordPrompts
09:06
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, on the server there is a setup see /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
09:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: neither on the server or the client
09:07
<cyberorg>
MaxAuthTries
09:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
negative
09:09
brb. I'm going to try something
09:10* _UsUrPeR_ is building another image :P
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<jammcq>
good morning homies
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: just re-created an image as follows: ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist --arch i386 . Tried ssh'ing back to server, no dice.
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09:39
<sbalneav>
Mooooorning all.
09:39
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, try another user
09:39
moin sbalneav :)
09:39
and jammcq :)
09:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning sbalneav
09:39
<sbalneav>
jammcq: So, I hear your mayoral woes are at an end.
09:39
cheers cyberorg _UsUrPeR_
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: I live near detroit too. It was great to see the law still matters to Kwame.
09:41
cyberorg: trying ssh -l <someuser> gives the same error
09:41* cyberorg out of ideas :(
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: ok, well thanks for your help :)
09:42
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, change the client IP address manually and try, we may find out of server blocks the ip
09:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: rgr. I'll change it to something lower
09:43
<sbalneav>
I wish we had a mayor that was into sex drugs and rock and roll. It would make for interesting news. Here, ours is just into the usual boring stuff: giving tax breaks to his buddy businessmen.
09:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
here's the error in auth.log: http://pastebin.com/m29532ae6
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: This guy has been such a pox on the city. The amazing part was that he was re-elected once already. The population is quite ignorant
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<horochovec>
hello, i'm using debian lenny and ltsp 5... on thin client boot on screen, show this message: "SCREEN 01 Contains a screen script startx Please, change to another screen"
10:42
anyone have a idea to solve this problem?
10:43
<Nubae>
change your lts.conf configuration
10:43
startx should be on screen 07
10:44
<horochovec>
!paste
10:44
<ltspbot>
horochovec: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
10:45
<ltsppbot>
"horochovec" pasted "lts.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/60
10:45
<horochovec>
Nubae this is my lts.conf..
10:46
<Nubae>
SCREEN_01 change to 07
10:46
<horochovec>
07 ?
10:46
hmm
10:47
one moment, i'm comment this line and restarting the thinclient
10:47
hmm
10:47
he show a screen, but not the kde screen
10:47
show a ltsp.org
10:48
<Nubae>
change SCREEN_01 to SCREEN_07
10:48
<horochovec>
yes
10:48
i will change now
10:48
<Nubae>
it will never start kdm, it starts ldm...
10:50
<horochovec>
ldm?
10:50
in 4.2 version the first screen is the kde login ..
10:51
<Nubae>
ah, right was talking about ltsp 5
10:51
which you should really be using for better support
10:52
but I suppose the screen thing still applies
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<horochovec>
Nubae
11:07
thks for help
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<gbolte>
hello
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12:14
<cyberorg>
hi gbolte :)
12:15
<gbolte>
hi
12:15
anything new in the world of ltsp
12:17
<cyberorg>
johnny, is getting close, Nubae is working on distro independent ltsp docs
12:17
we should have planet.ltsp.org :)
12:18
<gbolte>
haha
12:18
yeah
12:19
brb I need caffeine
12:22
back
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12:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: I got it... kind of.
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<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, cool
12:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
I don't quite know why, but using the SCREEN_02 = shell terminal never has worked for ssh.
12:34
I think I may have gotten ubuntu and fedora mixed up or something
12:34
<cyberorg>
go suse :D
12:34
<gbolte>
cyberorg, I dont know about all that we cant use a terminal if we have ldm
12:34
:/
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12:35
<cyberorg>
gbolte, latest updates should probably fix that, but change CONFIGURE_X=true if you do
12:35
<gbolte>
ah
12:35
ok
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<johnny>
ok, got my devices to show up on boot, now if only they would open :)
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<gbolte>
lol
13:18
local dev johnny ?
13:20
<johnny>
yes
13:21
sweet.. autologin works .. that's helpful for testing..
13:27
<gbolte>
cool
13:28
<johnny>
aha.. usb stick works
13:28
running udevadm trigger makes the local hard drive show up
13:29
so.. getting closer..
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13:30
<gbolte>
awesome
13:31
johnny, this is gentoo you are talking about?
13:31
<johnny>
yes
13:31
<gbolte>
ah
13:31
cool
13:32
heh for a while when we were running ltsp 4.x we ran a gentoo kernel for the clients
13:32
<johnny>
gbolte, my code finally hit upstream
13:32
<gbolte>
what code was that
13:32
<johnny>
the initial gentoo support
13:32
<gbolte>
oh gentoo upstream
13:32
gotcha
13:32
<johnny>
no, it's ltsp upstream
13:32
<gbolte>
oh
13:32
ok
13:33
<johnny>
i finally got commit access, did my first commits yesterday
13:33
<gbolte>
woohoo
13:33
:D
13:33
heh
13:34
<johnny>
next step.. sound..
13:34
<gbolte>
heh
13:34
yeah that is a pretty important thing
13:34
<johnny>
pulse starts, but yells about setrlimit and trying to change the priority..
13:35
<gbolte>
is pulse audio default in gentoo yet?
13:35
<johnny>
but.. the thing runs as root..
13:35
uhmm.. gentoo doesn't really have a default
13:35
for sound
13:35
<gbolte>
oh yeah
13:35
<johnny>
it's default for ltsp
13:35
in my chroot
13:35
<gbolte>
hmm maybe thats partly why I quit using it...its mostly a cluster of sorts
13:35
:/
13:35
<johnny>
well you have to know your system
13:36
gentoo is great for learning linux.. that is for sure
13:36
<gbolte>
thats true
13:36
<japerry>
johnny: agreed =D
13:36
<johnny>
i can troubleshoot almost any linux box now
13:36
<gbolte>
but on the "just works" scale it is horrid
13:36
<japerry>
I wouldn't know what I know nowif it wasn't for gentoo
13:36
<johnny>
yep
13:37
i probably wouldn't have stuck with linux at the time i did (2002) if it weren't for gentoo
13:37
i was running win2k before that
13:37
<japerry>
heh thats about where I was at
13:37
<johnny>
i tried linux a bunch of times, but kept deleting it
13:37
since i was dual booting
13:38
<japerry>
but in '04 I switched to OSX on the desktop and couldn't be happier ;-) -- but stuck with gentoo until my novell requirements made we switch
13:38
and still use gentoo for the firewall
13:38
<gbolte>
heh
13:38
<johnny>
i think i ony stuck with linux due to all the effort i put into setting up gentoo
13:38
:)
13:38
<gbolte>
yeah 1 lonely gentoo box
13:38
<japerry>
and our fileserver, using unionfs2
13:38
(at home, not office fileserver)
13:38
<johnny>
and now i can tweak out almost anything
13:38
<gbolte>
well actually its not lonely because everyone HAS to talk to it
13:38
:P
13:39
<japerry>
johnny: yup. I brought the gentoo FS box to PAX last weekend. does pretty well when being pillaged by guys looking for stuff
13:40
<johnny>
i used ubuntu on my last laptop, but switched back to gentoo on this one
13:40
imma checkout fedora soon
13:40
<japerry>
most windows boxes can only take about 3-5 smb connections before getting bad. this box can take about 10 or so before crawling to a halt
13:40
we use fedora for our asterisk server
13:41
<johnny>
after i get sound working, then i'll make an xrexecd package
13:42
so.. what's up with pulse and setrlimit .. :(
13:42
why should it yell when it's being run as root??
13:42
that's what i don't understand
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<gbolte>
johnny, ours runs as a user named pulse
13:50
on the client
13:50
may want to try that
13:50
:)
13:50
<johnny>
uhmm.. no.. i'm saying
13:50
that if i try to run it as root
13:50
i should not get any errors
13:50
<gbolte>
oh
13:50
<johnny>
i just wanna see it working
13:50
<gbolte>
johnny, if it could run as root I bet it would be on ours too lol
13:51
<johnny>
that makes no sense, root should be allowed to kill the system
13:51
that's what root means right? :)
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<gbolte>
johnny, how are you trying to run it
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<johnny>
atm, i'm just letting it run as in ltsp-init-common
13:53
start_sound()
13:54
that's when i see it spit out setrlimit() junk
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<johnny>
which.. since it is running as root.. should not spit it out
13:56
<gbolte>
hmm
13:57
brb
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<johnny>
so close..
14:00
<gbolte>
johnny, failed: operation not permitted is that what it says
14:00
<johnny>
hmm.. ok. so it does magic..
14:00
<gbolte>
???
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<gbolte>
johnny, did you make it work
14:03
<johnny>
no
14:04
i'm not sure what to try next
14:05
<gbolte>
I say make a pulse user I think the executable expects it
14:05
<johnny>
i have one
14:06
the ebuild does make it
14:06
<gbolte>
and still no dice?
14:06
<johnny>
obviously :)
14:06
the user has been there the entire time :)
14:07
<gbolte>
I see
14:12
<johnny>
updating pulseaudio now
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<gbolte>
johnny, did you get it sorted
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<johnny>
gbolte, uhmm.. almost
15:11
i got pulse .9.11
15:11
<gbolte>
ah
15:11
I am not sure what we have
15:11* gbolte checks
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<johnny>
and now it wanted me to add /var/lib/pulse to my /etc/conf.d/ltsp-client-setup
15:11
so it could write into it
15:12
and now.. pulse still isn't working on the server
15:12
but the error is gone
15:12
i clicked alsa
15:12
in gstreamer-properties
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<gbolte>
pulseaudio 0.9.10
15:12
<johnny>
and then hit test, and then it worked :)
15:12
but pulseaudio in that list doesn't work :)
15:13
<gbolte>
hmm so you managed to get sound from the ltsp client
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<johnny>
gbolte, only if i pick alsa..
17:32
autodetect doesn't work
17:32
but there are no errors
17:32
i straced it once
17:32
the pulse audio server running on the client
17:33
when i hit the test button, i can that it does alot more :)
17:33
just no sound out of the speakers :)
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<gbolte>
hmm
17:36
well thats a start
17:36
:D
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<catalao>
alguem fala potugues
17:57
portugues
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<catalao>
why terminals break on login?
18:08
what is the best linux ltsp to install?
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<vagrantc>
!bestltspdistro
18:34
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
18:35
<catalao>
i dont understand why terminals get slow on boot-up
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<vagrantc>
catalao: what speed are your terminals?
18:38
catalao: and what linux distro? what release?
18:39
<catalao>
a pentium 3 450Mhz with 128mb ram and ati with realtek 8139 A or B or C
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i have 8 machines of that, with the some hardware, and some can connect other can't
18:40
edubuntu 8.04
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<Shazzamy>
hey
20:53
http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=98ffbd569d5dbc5acad93375b260499d
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