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Channel log from 26 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:14
<mealstrom>
goo morning, i suppose
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06:20
<teacher>
exit
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quit
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13:09
<Hyperbyte>
What's the best way to run a command on the server, during user logout in a thin client environment?
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<Hyperbyte>
There's some process that doesn't quit properly, I want to kill it manually
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<alkisg>
pam_exec?
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xexit?
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ldm?
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<Hyperbyte>
I want to run the command on the server, preferably on Gnome exit...
13:12
I'm basically looking for /etc/xdg/autostart, but then on logout. ;-)
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<alkisg>
All of those can do that, each one with its shortcomings
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<Hyperbyte>
Which one is the best for my situation? :)
13:13
<alkisg>
Worst case... user pulls the network plug. xexit will understand that quickly, pam_exec some time later on, ldm never
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xexit polls X, so if you don't mind the minor overhead, it's a good candidate
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...and if you don't mind the lack of documentation ;D
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!xexit
13:13
<ltsp>
alkisg: xexit: Instead of gnome-watchdog one can use xexit, which is a similar (but better!) tool written by an LTSP developer: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/killing-user-processes-with-xexit-on-ltsp-servers
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<Hyperbyte>
Does xexit detect logout, or only client shutdown?
13:14
<alkisg>
Logout without X killed? How?
13:14
It detects the inability to connect to the client X
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<Hyperbyte>
I mean, what if I log out of Gnome, and then log back in
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<alkisg>
X is killled on logout
13:15
<bieb1>
alkisg: what is the site for the LTSP tool you just built? (not sure of the name) I had the link before but lost it
13:15
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
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<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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<alkisg>
bieb1: actually there's no "ltsp-pnp" tool, I just kept the name in order to have a name for that specific method. It's using the upstream LTSP sources, so it's just `ltsp-update-image -c /`
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<bieb1>
cool
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<bieb1>
alkisg: I am thinking about rebuilding my ltsp server with Mint.. just trying to evaluate all my options
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<alkisg>
Sure... /me settled with gnome-fallback
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<bieb1>
was that for me? or Hyper?
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<alkisg>
For you
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I mean, that I didn't like Unity, but instead of going with Mint or the other options, I settled with the gnome-fallback-session
13:21
Looks like the old 10.04
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<bieb1>
I did the fallback, which was fine.. but just odd things that don't seem to want to work with 12.04
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<alkisg>
Like what?
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(and why would they work with Mint then? older packages?)
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13:23
<Hyperbyte>
!forget xexit
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<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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<Hyperbyte>
!learn xexit as Instead of gnome-watchdog one can use xexit, which is a similar (but better!) tool written by an LTSP developer: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/killing-user-processes-with-xexit-on-ltsp-servers (not available for Ubuntu 12.04)
13:23
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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<bieb1>
I followed your advice and have been searching google for Multi-user settings.. I follow them step by step.. nothing works.. ie.. Desktop background..
13:23
<Hyperbyte>
Next. :)
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: it's very easy to compile it for 12.04
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Just a click on a PPA
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Want me to put it in my PPA until sbalneav puts it in his?
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<Hyperbyte>
Meh, nah...
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I'll just run a nightly cronjob that kills all errant processes for now
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<alkisg>
bieb1: desktop background doesn't work?
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<bieb1>
alkisg: also trying to turn off the screensaver/lock settings.. followed the steps I found online.. nope.. that didnt work either.. but 2 things that have driven me nuts.. I have run 3 of the regular updates when I have received the "updates" available message, and had to reboot after each (don't want to have a windows like server that needs to be rebooted every update) and AD connection.. Likewise which worked great under 10.04 was purchased by beyond trust..
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I know not all this is an LTSP issue.. I am just trying to get the system back to stable reliable 10.04 setup that I had.. I am going to look at Kiwi also
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<alkisg>
bieb1: switching to Mint won't change anything about those problems though. When e.g. you have a kernel update, you need to reboot for it to take effect, nothing else you can do about it.
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Also, whatever distro you use, if it uses gnome, locking will be exactly the same
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<alkisg>
Locking is only different between desktop environments (gnome, kde, lxde etc), not between distros
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<bieb1>
alkisg: it's just very frustrating to me with 12.04.. since my 10.04 system worked so well.. ya know?
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<alkisg>
bieb1: yeah, I know, in Greek we had broken keyboard layout for gdm. We filed bug reported, they fixed it, then it broke again for the next version of gdm, then they fixed it, now it's broken for lightdm
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<bieb1>
that is a pain
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<alkisg>
Unfortunately that's how the gnu/linux development works, we just have to be patient and wait for the major problems to be solved before upgrading to newer versions
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...and some of the problems will always be there... e.g. I checked which laptop to buy and got one where everything worked. Now with the newer linux kernel, brightness doesn't work, and battery level either
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<bieb1>
I understand that.. and that is part of my frustration.. I should have waited before the move to 12.04
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<alkisg>
...but I really don't want to spend a week in trying to get them fixed by kernel bisecting
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<bieb1>
alkisg: what would be your recomendation to someone that was going to build LTSP from scratch? with diskless workstation thin clients.
13:37* Hyperbyte <3 12.04
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<alkisg>
Right, that's what I tell teachers here: 12.04 is out in April, update (or better yet do a clean install to avoid problems) in September :D
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bieb1: I can't say in general, without knowing the specific needs
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<bieb1>
Active Directory authentication..
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<alkisg>
For teachers here I advice using ltsp-pnp from our PPA, along with our sch-scripts tool that fixes some of the recent ubuntu regressions (like dnsmasq not working)
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<bieb1>
codeweavers to run MS Office
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<alkisg>
bieb1: I'm not sure why you're running linux then :D
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<bieb1>
lol
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thanks
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<alkisg>
Why not windows on top of LTSP, without Linux even showing up on the clients?
13:39
A Windows VM for fat clients, or Server for thin clients, is all you need...
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<bieb1>
explain please? I didnt know that was possible without win terminal services
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<alkisg>
Have you ever run virtualbox in windows inside linux?
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<bieb1>
yep
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<alkisg>
Err a windows guest in a linux host?
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Well, you could do the same with LTSP
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Send the same VM to all your clients
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<bieb1>
is there a howto that you can point me at? I have never thought of providing a VM to the thin clients
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<alkisg>
I haven't seen a how-to, it would need some digging into it to make it work
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<bieb1>
hmmm thought provoking..
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<alkisg>
So basically the clients run windows, linux is there just for the remote boot + to avoid having to install different drivers for each client
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<bieb1>
do you know how that affects your windows license? **yes I know that's not an ltsp issue** :) :)
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<||cw>
can vbox do "linked clones"?
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<Hyperbyte>
bieb1, Google for that one. 'windows virtual machine license'
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<bieb1>
that was one of the contributing factors to puttin linux in the lab.. reduce license cost, and maintenance time
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<||cw>
if so, you'd have a linked clone for each station, the master image would be syspreped, and the clones would hold the licensing
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<alkisg>
Nope. I guess you need a volume license for that. If you only have e.g. windows home, then you'd have to create a few snapshots of the master VM and change their serial number
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<||cw>
works best with one of hte volume agreements
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<Hyperbyte>
I believe if you get a Windows Datacenter edition, you can run as many virtual instances as you want.
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<alkisg>
vbox can do linked clones, yeah
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<||cw>
bieb1: it's basically the same concept as VDI
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Hyperbyte: on the one host
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<bieb1>
||cw: I am not familiar with VDI.. I will have to look that one up
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<Hyperbyte>
||cw, mmm
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<||cw>
if you have fat clients, vbox would let you spread that out
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<alkisg>
A vbox screen script over thin clients would be enough
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SCREEN_07="vbox params etc"
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<||cw>
it's a cool concept, would like to see an implementation detailed, or maybe do one some day
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<mnevans>
Hello LTSP world. I am having trouble getting ltsp started on a fresh debian/wheezy (6.0.5) install. Two Intel NICs. I am following instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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1. installed ltsp-server-standalone
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2. built the client for the architecture (amd64 in both server and client)
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3. configured /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf to include the pointer to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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4. Configured /etc/exports
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5. 5. restart ndb daemon (no errors to stdout).
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6. invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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7. check configureation of NICs using ifconfig: OK.
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<alkisg>
And the client error is...?
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<mnevans>
Th eproblem seems to be starting isc-dhcp-server: it fails with the error "no subnet declaration" for eth0, which is the server's internet connection, and says: "not configured to listen on any interfaces!"
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I am using the stock /etc/dhcpd.conf with the only changes that I am using for the client LAN the server address 192.168.1.1.
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<bieb1>
||cw: is this what you are talking about?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_virtualization#VDI
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<alkisg>
mnevans: then a good start would be to paste your dhcpd.conf (both the main and the ltsp one) for anyone that uses/knows about isc-dhcp to help you...
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<||cw>
bieb1: yes.
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<mnevans>
Alkisg, thank you, these are at: http://pastebin.com/fjaLyumh . I pasted the single line I added to /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf (include...) and then the whole of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.
14:14
... I suspect this is very simple and will reflect my ignorance...
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<alkisg>
I don't have isc-dhcp so I can't see its stock contents
14:16* alkisg is using dnsmasq...
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<alkisg>
Also, if you run dpkg-reconfigure isc-dhcp-server and told it to listen on a specific interface... you should undo it
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<mnevans>
@alkisg, I don't think I told isc-dhcp-server to listen on a specific interface; just installed ltsp-server-standalone, didn't make any notes about configuration during install on that.
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<||cw>
you probably need to tell it to NOT listen on eth0, specifically
14:19
dnsmask is so much easier though
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<mnevans>
@||cw, thank you, how do I do that (in /etc/dhcpd.conf?)
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<||cw>
I don't
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<mnevans>
@||cw, I would try dnsmasq, should I follow th einstructions on the ltsp/lenny howto?
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<||cw>
I guess, last time all I needed was to read the comments in the default conf file
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<alkisg>
mnevans: (05:15:46 μμ) alkisg: I don't have isc-dhcp so I can't see its stock contents
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I meant, you should put those in pastebin too
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isc-dhcp decides which interface to listen in based on its subnet
14:27
So there's no need to declare it anywhere by name
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14:36
<mnevans>
@alkisg: what exactly would you like in pastebin from isc-dhcp?
14:36
<alkisg>
Its stock configuration file
14:36
Then, the output of your `ip addr show`
14:38
<mnevans>
OK, /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/QfUDVgaR
14:40
and output of ip addr show is here: http://pastebin.com/T65dFNSP
14:40
<alkisg>
mnevans: so, you have an IP of 192.168.0.x but you're declaring a subnet of 192.168.1.x
14:40
That's why isc-dhcp doesn't start
14:41
Maybe you're missing a static IP on the internal interface?
14:41
<mnevans>
Alkisg, I'm confused. I have two NICs, one is the connection to the internet (eth0). The second (eth1) is supposed to be for the ltsp LAN, 192.168.1.1. Isn't that correct (guess not?)
14:42
<alkisg>
mnevans: and did you set that IP for eth1?
14:42
<mnevans>
... so the subnet declaration in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is supposed to be for the IP, 192.168.0.x, for the internet lan?
14:43
<alkisg>
mnevans: that's for dhcp. To set an IP, you either use network manager, or /etc/network/interfaces
14:43
Google for "set static ip debian"
14:44
<mnevans>
Alkisg, I did this using network manager. Static IP address settings, IPv4, never use IPv6.
14:44
I do see that the eth1 is not active, and doesn't seem to be activate-able.
14:44
<alkisg>
mnevans: it doesn't show up in `ip addr show`, so you did something wrong there. Maybe you didn't activate it yet?
14:45
sudo cat /etc/network/interfaces
14:45
(err ok as root, I mean)
14:45
<mnevans>
Hm, maybe. How to activate it? It doesn't have an 'activate' choice in the menu in network manager. Maybe by restarting the service?
14:45
<alkisg>
and: cat /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/*
14:46
<mnevans>
Alkisg, there is nothing in that directory, although the directory exists.
14:46
<alkisg>
Then you didn't create a system connection with network manager
14:47
Anyway the "setting up a static IP" part isn't LTSP specific, so you could also ask in #network-manager, in #debian etc. bbiab.
14:47
<mnevans>
Sorry! I was looking at a window into an ubuntu system by mistake ! Hang on...
14:48
I see in the directory system-connections, a file "Auto Eth1" and this is for 192.168.1.1, and the correct MAC address for the NIC.
14:49
No entry for eth0 (192.168.0.x) there (it is called "Auto eth0" in the Network Mgr GUI.
14:50
But definitely eth1 is not up.
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15:09
<Pecker>
mnevans: NM tries to CONNECT with what is given ni cfg
15:09
you have to set static interface in /etc/network/interfaces
15:10
and then in NM config file unmanage the eth1 mac
15:10
see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2006323
15:13
<mnevans>
Pecker, thank you. I set up /etc/network/interfaces to point to the static configurations, as I had set up a similar systewm under ubuntu 12.04.
15:14
Then restarted networking: ip addr show now shows this: http://pastebin.com/C3zUTLRz
15:15
<Pecker>
did you unmanage the eth1 mac?
15:15
<mnevans>
It doesn't appear that NM cares about eth1: it is not 'connectable' under NM, says it is disconnected.
15:16
<Pecker>
if it doesnt say 'Device not managed" you re nto doing it right
15:16
<mnevans>
OK, let me try what is in the link you sent me.
15:16
<Pecker>
as NM will prevent connections from getting to the interface define in interfaces, unless you tell NM to unmanage the mac
15:16
see link
15:18
<mnevans>
Pecker, more /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf says: no-auto-default=[MAC address of eth1], then there is a line: [ifupdown], then "managed = false".
15:18
Doesn't that sound like eth1 is unmanaged? :)
15:18
<Pecker>
add
15:18
[keyfile]
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unmanaged-devices=mac:68:05:ca:06:fa:6f
15:19
and no that soudns like a default cfg to me
15:20
<mnevans>
Yes, just added that line. Now restarting networking...
15:20
<Pecker>
and restart NM too
15:20
not sure if I had to reboot the system after adding that line
15:20
<mnevans>
Now NM reports "device not managed".
15:20
<Pecker>
yay
15:21
now try connecting to eth1
15:21
<mnevans>
Now I should just try to restart isc-dhcp-server?
15:21
<Pecker>
i assume you set a static ip interface in /etc/network/interfaces
15:21
<mnevans>
Yes, for both eth0 and eth1 in this case.
15:21
<Pecker>
yeah restart, ro just restart the system
15:23
<mnevans>
I did invoke-rc.d service isc-dhcp-server restart, and this time, it restarted without failure, only warned about no subnet declaration for eth0. (Which should be fine).
15:23
Now theoretically I can boot a client?
15:24
<Pecker>
yep
15:26
<mnevans>
And the key steps for 6.0.5 are: (-1) add include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf; (0) configure /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf; (1) add [keyfile] \\ unmanaged-devices=mac:xx:xx:xx:xx, (2) configure static interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, (3) invoke-rc.d isc-dhcp-server restart
15:26
?
15:27
<Pecker>
soudns about right
15:27
Ive only used ubuntu implementation, but debian is very similar to ubuntu
15:30
<mnevans>
Well, I just wrote that in my logvbook in case it works. Now will try to boot a client. It's different enough from how I set up the ubuntu 10.04/11.10/12.04 systems.
15:30
<Pecker>
yeah
15:31
<mnevans>
But I should apologize to you and Alkisg especially for bringing what is essentially NM config problems to this chat. Nevertheless I appreciate the help!
15:31
<Pecker>
np
15:31
its ltsp related
15:31
as a client couldnt get throigh if it tried
15:31
thats actually why im on this chAN
15:31
as I had NM problems on ubuntu 10.04
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15:33
<Pecker>
anyways glad I could help you
15:33
one line fixes are great
15:33
and i gtg...
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<alkisg>
mnevans: you could set up a static ip with nm though
15:34
You just needed to click "[v] make available for all users" in the UI
15:34
That way you also see its settings, connection speed etc from the nm applet too
15:35
But anyway all methods work
15:35
Even just putting it to /etc/network/interfaces without editing network-manager would work
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<Pecker>
alkisg: adding interface to interfaces without disabling it in NM WILL NOT WORK. (from personal experience here)
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<alkisg1>
@(*&#$ net connection :(
15:52
<Pecker>
did you get ehat i said
15:52
what*
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<alkisg>
(06:50:38 μμ) alkisg: Pecker: works for me, tested in about 250 installations
15:52
(06:51:10 μμ) alkisg: (then we moved away from editing /etc/network/interfaces and are only using nm)
15:52
<Pecker>
weird
15:52
only way i could get it to work was to get NM out of the picture
15:53
would love to see NM do the managing
15:53
<alkisg>
There was a bug though were NM got confused if only one of the 2 nics were managed, and the other unmanaged,
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<alkisg>
...it resulted in nm not seeing the nm-managed NIC at all :D
15:53
<Pecker>
yeah it 'frogot' all ym wired conenctions
15:54
but it still sees manage nic
15:54
<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/391040
15:55
<Pecker>
yeah sounds liek what NM did to me
15:56
but as far as getting ltsp connections in.. still its the only way I could get it to work
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<alkisg>
Now we're only using NM, not /etc/network/interfaces at all, and it works fine
15:57
<Pecker>
so you just define a static interface and have it available to everyone?
15:57
<alkisg>
Yes, either one or two, if you're using a 2-nic setup
15:58
The other one might be dhcp, no problem there
15:58
<Pecker>
so normal net link could be dhcp, and ltsp nic is set to static hmm
15:58
<alkisg>
You just need an empty /etc/network/interfaces, with only the following default content:
15:58
auto lo
15:58
iface lo inet loopback
15:59
No "auto eth0" or other stuff there
15:59
<Pecker>
k
15:59
will try that later then
16:03
<mnevans>
@alkisg, I tried setting up the eth1 device in NM and clicking 'make available to all users", but it still didnt work.
16:03
<alkisg>
mnevans: see the bug above, maybe that's what affected you, if so you should have emptied /etc/network/interfaces
16:03
But anyway any method that works is good enough
16:04
<mnevans>
@Pecker, I got the client to connected. But then the boot failed when it couldn't find the file: /ltsp/amd64/nbi.img. Which indeed, does not exist, I don't think.
16:05
I do see /var/lib/tfptboot/ltsp/amd64/initrd.img ... is this what the client should be looking for, and if so, where do I tell it to do so?
16:06
...Or easier to make a link ftom nbi.img to initrd.img in that directory?
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<mnevans>
Ah, Alsisg, thanks for pointing out the bug report. Sounds familiar.
16:10
At moment eth1 and eth0 are working with the fix that Pecker suggested.
16:11
..Duh: pointer to nbi.img is in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. Let me fix and retry boot.
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<mnevans>
Hmm, that didn't fix the problem: still claiming "no such file or directory". But setting the option root-path correctly to look for "/opt/ltsp/amd64"; does. Now I can't log in: "no response from server" error.
16:28
When I saw this on ubuntu I would be able to do: ltsp-rebuild-sshkeys and be good once rebooted the client. This doesn't seem to work.
16:30
(and ltsp-rebuild-client).
16:39
Tried updating sshkeys, kernels, image, restarting services: isc-dhcp-server, openbsd-inetd, tftpd-hpa, then rebooting the client: ... no, wait, never mind. I'll go hit myself on the head with a shoe for a while. I was logging in with a nonexistent userid on the test system. Sigh... It works!
16:39
<knipwim>
nice one :)
16:40
ypu can put your shoe back on
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18:23
<brian418_>
Im getting failed getting release file error when I try and execute build-client.....any ideas or tips on where to start.
18:26
<alkisg>
mentioning distro/version would be a good start :)
18:26
<brian418_>
alkisg: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server
18:27
<alkisg>
Paste the whole output to pastebin
18:27
!pastebin
18:27
<ltsp>
alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
18:28
<brian418_>
http://pastebin.com/uPS21nPr
18:30
<alkisg>
brian418_: well, looks like network failure
18:30
Try: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release
18:30
<brian418_>
alkisg: I can retrieve file using wget and browser
18:31
<alkisg>
brian418_: try from that root shell, not from the browser
18:31
Maybe there's an env setting that breaks your connection
18:31
Also, check the output of: env
18:31
See if there's any mention about proxies or apt settings there
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<brian418_>
alkisg: no proxies or apt settings that I see
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<alkisg>
brian418_: try: sudo debootstrap lucid /tmp/lucid
18:39
See if that works, if it doesn't then it's a networking (or debootstrap) issue
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<brian418_>
alkisg: looks like its retrieving all the packages
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<alkisg>
(09:45:14 μμ) alkisg: That's weird... I can't imagine what ltsp does that breaks downloading, while debootstrap works
19:08
<brian418_>
alkisg: yes I know...I have been dealing with this for over a month now
19:09
<alkisg>
brian418_: run sh -x /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client --arch i386
19:09
Sorry, bash
19:09
bash -x ...
19:09
<brian418_>
alkisg: do I need to wait for that last command to complete?
19:09
<alkisg>
No, you can stop that
19:10
(ctrl +c)
19:10
You don't have an /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf, do you?
19:13
<brian418_>
alkisg: no just dhcpd.conf ltsp-update-image.conf
19:13
<alkisg>
OK, do the bash -x command, it's going to have a large output though
19:13
Paste it all to pastebin
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<brian418_>
alkisg: it looks as if the top of the output is larger than the buffer so the first part is cut off
19:17
<alkisg>
You can add >/tmp/out 2>&1 to get it all in a file
19:18
(at the end of the command)
19:34
<brian418_>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/hPUuWSgT
19:37
<alkisg>
brian418_: er you should have removed /opt/ltsp before running that... now it stopped before even trying to download anything
19:38
<brian418_>
alkisg: doh...I know that...give me a sec
19:41
<alkisg>
brian418_: what's the output of this command in your system? echo .$(apt-config shell http_proxy acquire::http::proxy).
19:48
<brian418_>
alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061396/
19:49
alkisg: .http_proxy=' '.
19:50
<alkisg>
I think there's the problem
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<alkisg>
grep -ri proxy /etc/apt
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<brian418_>
alkisg: /etc/apt/apt.conf:Acquire::http::Proxy "" "";
19:51
<alkisg>
Remove that line from that file and retry
19:52
(or you could pass an option to not detect the http_proxy in ltsp-build-client)
19:53
<brian418_>
alkisg: it's always the simple stuff.....anyidea if that could be put in when doing a version upgrade or does it have to be manually done?
19:53
<alkisg>
brian418_: ltsp-build-client --no-guess-proxy ...
19:53
brian418_: no idea what put it there
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<brian418_>
alkisg: she is building the client now.....thanks for your time and effort!
20:00
<alkisg>
yw
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<marc__>
It's just a test message with epoptes
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Thanks and byebye
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