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Channel log from 25 May 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<elias_a>
Hello. Does someone have exprience on connection problems of playing flash video content?
02:01
Hardy 8.04 in question.
02:02
<gnunux>
hi
02:02
<elias_a>
I do of course understand that playng video is not that easy task on LTSP.
02:02
<gnunux>
flash video are slow ?
02:02
<elias_a>
This problem however is that the playing does not even start.
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<elias_a>
For example this link: http://areena.yle.fi/video/981819
02:04
I get a network connection error report.
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<Guerdal82>
Hello all :-p
02:04
<elias_a>
Is there a general problem with flash video when running 32-bit clients on 64-bit server?
02:05
<Guerdal82>
does anyone try to install google-chrome as a localapps on LTSP-cluster 10.04 ?
02:06
I have a error : Failed to bind() /home/david.allard/.config/google-chrome/SingletonSocket: Opération non permise
02:06
<elias_a>
Guerdal82: UUhhhh.. sounds like a pain in the butt....
02:06
<Guerdal82>
what I have do wrong ? if anyone known :-)
02:07
It function very well with LTSP on ubuntu 9.04
02:07
<alkisg>
Guerdal82: I think it needs FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False
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<Guerdal82>
Yes I try but that don't fix the problem :-(
02:08
SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS or FOLLOW_SYMLINKS ?
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<alkisg>
SSHxxx
02:09
moment...
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<Guerdal82>
how do I know that the parameter is well passed to the thin client ?
02:10
<alkisg>
!localxterm
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
02:10
<alkisg>
In that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
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<Guerdal82>
ok I try that
02:11
nothing :-(
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<alkisg>
Where's your lts.conf?
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<Guerdal82>
nothing with getltscfg -a but I have all my parameter with getltscfg-cluster -a
02:16
the config from the ltsp-cluster-admin : http://pastebin.com/7JHt4mre
02:17
<alkisg>
Ah, sorry, no idea about cluster.
02:18
Google chrome worked fine for me with SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False
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<Guerdal82>
thanks for the try, I'll continue to search the problem later :-)
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<dobber_>
i have a wierd problem booting up ltsp clients
06:36
sometimes (at random) the booting process stops and you have to turn off the client to try booting again
06:36
after 1/5 tries it boots normaly
06:37
so after a bit of debuging, i got it to /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core
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this line -> start_sound || true
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or just before it
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./usr/share/ltsp/screen_session
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or not...
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is there any developers docs?
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<fly23>
hi
08:00
maybe someone of you guys can give me a hint
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<fly23>
after upgrading from 8.04 to 10.04 i can't connect to the X-server
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the users .xsession-errors states 'permission denied'
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<dobber_>
did you `ltsp-update-sshkeys`
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<fly23>
yes
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<dobber_>
in 8.04 isn't ltsp still version 4 ?
08:03
<fly23>
and an ltsp-update-image
08:03
at least it was ltsp over nbd running before
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<dobber_>
you boot fine, ldm starts and when you login it says "permission denied" ?
08:05
<fly23>
no, i just get thrown back to ldm
08:05
ich find this line in the users .xsession-errors
08:07
i tried false credentials, at least then i get a message at LDM
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<dobber_>
well, i dont know enough ot ltsp to help from here
08:13
fly23 can you ssh to your server and login with client user/pass
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<fly23>
yes
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that way i can read the users .xsession-errors
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and thats the only clue i have
08:17
"open: Permission denied"
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<PMantis>
Hi guys! Does anyone know if LTSP 5.2 on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS supports an auto-login configured in lts.conf?
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<vizz>
PMantis: in [ethernet-addr] section LDM_USERNAME & LDM_PASSWORD should work
08:25
<cliebow>
Hey STeve!!!
08:26
<PMantis>
cliebow: Hi!!
08:27
It's Chuckie. LOL
08:27
<cliebow>
havnt seen you for a while..still in ny?
08:27
<PMantis>
cliebow: yes
08:27
<cliebow>
nice to see the old 4.2 ltspers around
08:28
<PMantis>
Heh, yeah. I'm a little rusty, and LTSP 5.x is a bit of a strange concept.
08:28
No RJune today?
08:28
I like to pick on him. LOL
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<cliebow>
heh
08:30
rjune is like you..pops in once in a while to refresh..
08:30
<PMantis>
vizz: So, [ethernet-addr] section? I assume you're talking about replacing "ethernet-addr" with IP or MAC...
08:30
<cliebow>
ltsp5 still daunting for me as well..cause i have lost my labs..
08:30
<PMantis>
cliebow: Really? I must have been lucky then. :)
08:31
<cliebow>
well..they went one to one with frigging macbooks
08:31
<PMantis>
cliebow: Oh no! You had a good thing going up there! School admins can be annoying.
08:32
<cliebow>
so the macbooks are dropping like flies..sometimes literally..we have one guy dedicated just to sending them back for brokeb screens..
08:32
<PMantis>
Wow
08:33
For that, you'd think it'd be a benefit to have screens in stock and replace them right there.
08:33
<cliebow>
yeah.. we have to go get certified as apple depot
08:33
warranty wise
08:33
the macbooks are a bastard to work with
08:33
<vizz>
PMantis: with mac, right
08:34
<PMantis>
Well, at least they didn't go with windoze lappys!!
08:34
<cliebow>
i put a screen in one last year and sent it home for the weekend with a kid..damn thing caught on fire
08:34
<PMantis>
vizz: Thanks!
08:34
cliebow: SERIOUSLY?!!
08:34
<cliebow>
somehow i pinched the video cable..
08:35
<PMantis>
yow!
08:35
<cliebow>
every screw holding them together is a different size
08:37
<PMantis>
vizz: I think I have this right, but no login. I just changed the resolution and it booted to the new resolution, so I KNOW it's reading the lts.conf. Any log to check?
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<PMantis>
vizz: Ohhhhhh, I found it. LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True
08:38* PMantis tests again
08:38
<vizz>
ok
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<PMantis>
Hmm, almost works. LDM keeps starting/ stopping... maybe password is wrong.
08:41
auth.log confirms it.
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<Guerdal82>
hello, I have a question about config of ltsp-cluster. Does anyone can handle this here ?
08:58
<cliebow>
Guerdal82, try back in a bit..i amhaving senior moment who to talk to
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<markit>
fly23: did you changed IP of the server? maybe you have to regenerate the ssd keys in chroot, or something like that (newbie here)
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<Guerdal82>
cliebow : Ok I try later
09:09
<PMantis>
vizz: All is working, I adjusted the session settings, and ONLY firefox is opening.
09:09
Now to get the we app to auto-login for this thin client. :)
09:09
Thanks!
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<denisesball>
hey guys, i think i messed up dbus somehow. gnome-screensaver and nm-applet keep segfaulting and are not loading on my terms
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<jammcq>
hey friends
11:03
<atkuepker>
denisesball: We see something similar every couple weeks here. Unfortunately, we haven't found a fix and the only workaround is rebooting. Not pleasant when there's 50 administrative and service staff on a server.
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<cliebow>
give me a j
11:08
give me an qa
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two m's
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cq
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<ogra>
jqammcq ?
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<denisesball>
atkuepker: i couldve swore it was working, i thought removing some unnecessary packages broke it. sucks not having screensavers
11:13
<atkuepker>
indeed
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<thunsucker>
kusznir: you have any progress since yesterday?
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<kusznir>
thunsucker: some...more stuff broke, which pointed to a catastrophic failure of my authentication/authorization system.
11:27
<thunsucker>
kusznir: no fun....so it was the rain before the storm
11:27
<kusznir>
Yep.
11:27
<thunsucker>
kusznir: sorry to hear
11:27
<kusznir>
Still trying to get my network back online....
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<kusznir>
Ok, I think I got my 9.04 server back up....had to restart a chunk of my infastructure.
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<alkisg>
stgraber: could you have a look at this failed ltsp build log?
11:43
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49075644/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.ltsp_5.2.1-0ubuntu10~ppa0-bzr1745_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
11:43
It was built successfully for i386, but failed for amd64, with the following error:
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dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libpopt.so.0 needed by debian/ltsp-client-core/usr/bin/getltscfg (ELF format: 'elf32-i386'; RPATH: '').
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<kusznir>
Ok, Its only partially fixed, but I'm pretty sure this problem is still auth related..Attempts to ssh in hang an inordinate amount of time, then once logged in, its another inordinate amount of time before my user prompt is delivered.
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<thunsucker>
kusznir: honestly still sounds like dns
11:48
kusznir: once ssh'ed in, do ping 4.2.2.2
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then do ping google.com
11:48
does it hang for a couple seconds pinging google.com but not 4.2.2.2?
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<kusznir>
Both returned immediately.
11:48
I also pinged some local hostnames, and they also returned immediately. No DNS delays here.
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(unless its trying to do a very specific lookup)
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<kusznir>
So, doing an ls in my home directory share (/net/files/home/) returns quickly, but an ls -l takes forever.
11:50
And yet, getent passwd returns quickly...
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<kusznir>
So, question out there: can I have a cluster of ltsp "machines", one of which is exclusively dedicated to serving up thin clients' OSes (nbd primarily), and NOT have that machine joined to the central authentication system, or will that break things (like localapps)?
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<PMantis>
kusznir: I'd try running: nslookup ip.of.ltsp.client
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See if *reverse* DNS is OK.
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<alkisg>
stgraber: now that there's an upstart job for poweroff/reboot -fp, can I delete the -fp parameter from the other source (shell/C) files? They cause unclean shutdowns for me, and I've checked with vagrantc, he also doesn't want the -fp there...
12:26
<johnny>
alkisg, things are working fine iwth lucid :)
12:26
EXCEPt sound on my server :)
12:27
<alkisg>
Heh, is that an ltsp-related problem?
12:27
<johnny>
i only have sound on the front panel headphone
12:27
no.. it's not
12:27
the ltsp part went fine
12:27
i'm not sure if i agree with those whole mess about moving the close/minimize/maximize buttons
12:28
<PMantis>
johnny: Sounds like the mobo and front audio cables don't agree. I've seen that... unplug front audio header and rear audio works again.
12:28
<johnny>
not sure why they did it without adding the new feature they hope to replace it with
12:28
PMantis, it's never been a problem before
12:28
or rather.. it has been a problem before.. on each release
12:28
i have to force the model sometimes
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and sometimes not
12:28
the problem is a driver problem
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<PMantis>
johnny: Very odd indeed, then
12:29
<johnny>
it worked fine in hardy, then broke on each release up to karmic
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<nubae>
johnny, alkisg greets
12:29
<johnny>
and then went fine on karmic
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<alkisg>
Hi nubae
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<johnny>
broken on karmic in that the sound would go.. and then stop after about 5 seconds
12:29
that got fixed by forcing the model
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<nubae>
johnny, I'm just running new saabayon... looks really nice
12:30
not sure how related to gentoo it is anymore
12:30
other than using emerge
12:30
:-)
12:31
I'm trying to install chrome OS on it
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<johnny>
i have no idea of the sabayon os
12:32
never used it
12:32
be more specific in this room nubae , you should know better :)
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<nubae>
its hihgly related to gentoo though
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<johnny>
i know what it is
12:32
but say sabayon os..
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the most relevent usage of sabayon here is the gnome program.. not the gentoo based os
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<nubae>
oh right
12:33
sorrry
12:33
gotcha now ;-)
12:33
hehe
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<alkisg>
Hey Lns
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<Lns>
what's up alkisg
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<alkisg>
I've tried booting a thin client with 128mb ram off of a thin client chroot
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Worked like a charm - but I have cron off
15:19
So I commited a patch to ltsp, so that now clients with low ram are automatically booted as thin
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So in most cases now it isn't necessary to have 2 chroots, one suffices, and you don't have to specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=false either
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<Lns>
alkisg: oh ok, you meant you booted a 128mb client in a fat client chroot
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<Lns>
alkisg: well, I think that is a good concept - but there should be other things to consider as well, such as CPU speed
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<alkisg>
lns, it's working as a thin client, not a fat client
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<Lns>
and hopefully a variable for the admin to choose their own limits
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alkisg: right - but it was technically booted to a fat client chroot
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right?
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<alkisg>
Lns, I'm talking about that paragraph that you wrote: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#Separating%20chroots
15:21
That it isn't necessary
15:21
If one has a fat chroot, he doesn't have to have a thin chroot as well for low ram clients
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<Lns>
Did I write that? Haha
15:22
<alkisg>
Yup
15:22* Lns needs ECC in his noggin
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<alkisg>
:)
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<Lns>
that's great alkisg, I think that will help a lot of people out
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<alkisg>
About that variable, yes, I put a FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD parameter
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...with a default value of 300MB
15:24* Lns thinks of some cool additions to alkisg's idea - something like THINRAM_THRESHOLD=n (integer, number of megabytes of RAM to consider "thin" booting in the chroot)
15:24
<Lns>
hahaha
15:24
ok i need to read what you write first
15:24
<alkisg>
Heh, too late for your idea, it was already implemented this morning ;)
15:24
<Lns>
that is awesome!
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<alkisg>
Ugh, I forgot to make it MB though so it's on KB, I'd better change that...
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<Lns>
I was trying to figure out, a while ago, how to symlink between chroots to avoid having to make changes in both when desired..this bypasses that whole thing
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<alkisg>
The fat chroot I was trying with actually needed less RAM than my thin chroot, I need to invistigate why...
15:32* alkisg just booted an 64mb client, cool!
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<Lns>
alkisg: ubu 10.04?
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<alkisg>
Lns, yup, but it's not published yet, I'm using the trunk
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(for the ram threshold - the fat chroots should be able to boot thin clients with 64MB in the standard lucid installation)
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(with cron = off)
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<Lns>
alkisg: what exactly doesn't get used in a thin vs. fat client chroot besides the running of most apps locally? anything?
16:05
what's the big deal with cron? it doesn't use much ram right?
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<alkisg>
Cron doesn't, but the software-update etc that it runs, do
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So if those are launched in 64mb clients, they'll just crash
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(some cron jobs also affect thin chroots as well)
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E.g. an apt-xapian-index update will need lots of ram to store the updated database
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<Lns>
ah...sucks though since cron can provide a lot of good functionality even for low ram clients, custom scripts, etc.
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<alkisg>
Lns, the best way is to run the jobs on the server, not on the clients
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I have a network backend where each client offers the server a reverse shell
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So the server can execute arbitrary commands on the clients, even with cron etc
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<alkisg>
...and that only consumes 1 mb on each client (=a /bin/sh)
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I hope I can find some time to package this separately from sch-script, so that others can use it...
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<Lns>
alkisg: you are great.
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network backend = schscripts?
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<alkisg>
Yup, a part of it
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<Lns>
cool
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<alkisg>
There's also another network backend for users, where each user offers a reverse shell to the teacher
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<alkisg>
...but that would be mostly useful in schools, not in business
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So the user can get screenshots or lock their screens etc, again with just 1 mb of ram
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*the teacher
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<vagrantc1>
yay!
16:41
just finally got around to testing LTSP on powerpc.
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had an excuse to use it for freegeek.
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<Lns>
nice vagrantc1
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how did it test out?
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<vagrantc1>
went smoothly
17:01
ldm came up and was able to log in without a hitch
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this is a pretty dated version of LTSP... debian stable
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<jammcq>
hey vagrantc1
17:05
how's things?
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<vagrantc1>
well, things aren't nearly as good as stuff, but they're holding their own.
17:09
i'm still struggling with udev issues in debian/squeeze :(
17:09
ltspfs isn't working as well as i'd like.
17:10
jammcq: how goes it your neck of the woods?
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<prek>
hi, our company got an ltsp server and a few clients, we asked to have them auto login at boot but the IT company who set them up said its not possible, is that the case ?
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<johnny>
it sure is possible
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2 different ways
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<prek>
yes。。。
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<johnny>
and there's also guest account support, but that involves creating more users on the server side, i use that at my internet cafe
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<prek>
i want each client to auto login into a different user
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say , client one boots into "user1", client 2 boots into "user2"
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<johnny>
yep
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the only problem with the regular autologin, is that you can't actually log out if not using gnome
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<prek>
so i somehow tie user login preferance to MAC address ?
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<johnny>
a gnome that includes a patched gnome-session (i think)
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yes
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so.. another option is tied autologin
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so they can log out, and then choose shutdown from the main login page
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sorry.. i emant.. you can't actually shutdown properly
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<prek>
well, each client is dedicated to a user so there is never a need to log out
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<johnny>
well, what you do , is edit the lts.conf file and set
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<prek>
belive it or not, the users are used to the windows logon and cannot figure out that they need to input both user name and password, despite many trainings...
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<johnny>
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y
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[mac]
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LDM_USERNAME=user
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LMD_PASSWORD=pass
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<prek>
just add that anywhere in the file?
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<johnny>
if you don't already have an lts.conf, it must begin with [default] and is usually placed in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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that's on ubuntu btw
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<prek>
ubuntu here...
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<johnny>
or debian
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<johnny>
ok, then that should do it.. as long as you have a distro newer than gutsy gibbon i think
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<prek>
9.10 i believe
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<johnny>
just make sure to cdreate the accounts first
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if you don't specify the username and enable autologin, it will try based on the pc hostname
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a username and password combo exactly as shown on the ldm login screen
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<prek>
pc hostname ?
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<johnny>
on the hostname shown there
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when you boot up your clients, you do see a hostname in the lower right hand corner?
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ltspXXX
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?
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<prek>
oh yes
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i think it says ltsp and an ip
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<johnny>
yep
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it's part of the ip
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<prek>
never paid attaention to it
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<johnny>
well, if you create user accounts on the server with those names.. and with that password, it will autologin without specifying any thing in lts.conf
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other than LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y
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but.. you can surely assign names as well.. as i showed you originally
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based on the mac address.. or known IP
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<prek>
johnny, do i need to rebuild the image after i add those lines in the ltsp.conf ?
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<johnny>
lts.conf
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not ltsp.conf
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<prek>
sorry,.,.,
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<johnny>
no, you don't
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it's outside of the image
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<prek>
ok, thanks
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<johnny>
just make sure the file begins with [default] on the first line
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<prek>
johnny, it seems like i don't have that file > /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<johnny>
then you create it
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<prek>
johnny, can you have a look at this mock lts.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/439718/
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<johnny>
your mac's aren't seperated by :
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err.. the spaces in the address should be :
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and you're missing [default] at the time
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top*
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<prek>
the mac i just wrote from memeory...
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ok, so juts add [defualt] at the top and write the MAC properly , right?
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<johnny>
yes default
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make sure you spell it right :)
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<prek>
ha
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thanks
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<johnny>
and that that user exists
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and get your money back from that consultant :) lol
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or you could show pity on them
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and tell them how you did it
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this functionality has existed for many releases now :)
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<prek>
thanks, i will do it now
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