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Channel log from 19 June 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<sean74>
hi all,
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anyone can guide me on ltsp fat client local printing?
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<sean74>
alkisg: hi
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alkisg: got time for my fat client local printer?
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<alkisg>
sean74: I'm not sure I understand what you did, so I could only help with vnc.
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<sean74>
how would you like to vnc over?
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my server, fat client?
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<alkisg>
sudo apt-get install x11vnc
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x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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On the fat client
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<sean74>
ok
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<alkisg>
You need to install x11vnc on the chroot
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So you need sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386 first
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<sean74>
oh ok
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<alkisg>
Then sudo ltsp-update-image and reboot the client
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<sean74>
then i need to rebuilt rigth
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alkisg: i think i m connected
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<alkisg>
sean74: you just got disconnecte
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ah ok
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Is it really slow? I don't see any updates
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Yeah it's unusably slow
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Is this dial up?
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<sean74>
alkisg: why?
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i m running on broadband
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<alkisg>
Because it's unusable
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It's extremely slow
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Are you perhaps downloading a torrent or something?
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<sean74>
nope
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<alkisg>
OK - it won't work like this, I get one screen every 2 minutes
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It should be 100 times faster for it to work
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So sorry I can't help.
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<sean74>
i got broken pipe error
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<alkisg>
I closed it
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It's too slow, I can't help you
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<sean74>
sigh
03:28
could it be the ufw, the gateway
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my server ufw
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alkisg: what about teamviewer?
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<alkisg>
Sorry, I don't have time to install teamviewer to try if it's faster.
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See if someone else has time to help you.
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<sean74>
alkisg: or maybe you may guide me on the thing you would like to check from the fat client
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alkisg: its okay, you had help alot. thank you.
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<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<sean74>
alkisg: my actual configuration was VMware ESXi host ubuntu server (network /ufw/dhcp3-server), ubuntu-desktop (ltsp)
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<Mava>
sean74: yo running ubuntu ltsp in esxi ?
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<sean74>
Mava: yup
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Mava: anything we could share?
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<{aaron}>
hi guys, i have a weird sort of terminal/virtualization situation...i was wondering if anybody has any advice on
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i need to run a windows client-server application
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i have been planning to run these in Virtualbox VMs on a linux server
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and then use a network booted thin client to RDP into them (via the built-in virtualbox rdp support)
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but i'm wondering now if I should just use native X/XDMCP, and assign each client workstation its own user which subsequently runs the respective VM?
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<{aaron}>
(upon login)
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the advantage i see to doing that is that these sessions will then become available for examination by native X tools/utilities
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the downside is the additional management of these 'users' that are realized on the system
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<sean74_>
hi all
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i am currently try to implement the ltsp fat client
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i am having trouble to install a local printer
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when i attached my HP 3in1 Officejet, scanner was working fine but not printer
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there was no printer in the system->administration->printing
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when i perform lsusb, i can see the printer was detected
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any advice?
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<johnny>
you should install the printer drivers first
12:36* johnny isn't sure how the;oy are packaged in ubuntu
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<johnny>
or debain for that matter
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but try installing the printer driver
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<sean74_>
johnny
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johnny: thanks for the information
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johnny: just curios, i did connect the same printer into my ubuntu desktop 10.04, everything was connected plug and play
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johnny: maybe i try to install the driver 1st
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<johnny>
well you can't install the driver live in the fat client session
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but i imagine it will isntall the driver when running on the server
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<sean74_>
johnny: running on the server? u meant sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386 .........
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johnny: or i should connect the printer to my server 1st?
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johnny: need to go to bed. thank you. please send private message if you have something for me to try
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bye guys
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<johnny>
no.. just the 2nd
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<johnny>
err first
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<sean74_>
johnny: 1st ? 2nd?
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<johnny>
just chroot and install it
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and then rebuild the image
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<sean74_>
johnny: just curious, but why the scanner was working? the HP Officejet was detected when i use simple scan
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<johnny>
because the native scanner drivers might just work
12:49* johnny doesn't know
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<johnny>
maybe you already have the printer drivers installed
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you'd have to check
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<alkisg>
In case sean74 asks again, cupsd isn't started by default on fat clients - once it's started manually all local printers work fine.
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<johnny>
alkisg, ah
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didn't know that
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alkisg, why does cups actually need to be an system level init scirpt anyways?
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just for using local printers
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i feel like connected printers should fire up cups
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not require it to be manually started
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<alkisg>
No idea... I don't even know why it isn't starting locally, with the same init.d/cups script that it has on the server..
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Some even must not be firing
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*event
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<alkisg>
Also, if I have a printer connected on the server, and one on the client, then the client sees the server cupsd first. I have to point it to localhost to see its own printer.
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<gecko__>
someone can help me with tftp please?
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<gecko__>
can someone please help me???'
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<sweetpi>
better off just asking the question. then if somebody knows they might help
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<gecko__>
thanks a lot!! and sorry I'm new here :)
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<gecko__>
cannot boot from tftp a got the TFTP-E38 Error
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someone knows how to fix it or what is the reason?
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<sweetpi>
it means you cant send the first tftp packet
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maybe faulty pxe code on the nic
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or cable unplugged
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do other machines boot ok?
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<gecko__>
but my dhcp server recognize my terminal and assign an IP to the host
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I cannot boot any machine, I try with 2 differents machines and nothing
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<sweetpi>
did you check syslog on the server?
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<gecko__>
yeah, seems like this:
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<sweetpi>
pastebin.com
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<gecko__>
http://pastebin.com/pkqw07wE
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could you see the syslog?
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can we chat private?
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<sweetpi>
keep it here pls
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are you sure tftp is running?
23:13* johnny <3 sweetpi
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<johnny>
nice to see a newcomer promote good irc practices
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<sweetpi>
i try :)
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<gecko__>
ok
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thanks sweetpi
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:)
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<gecko__>
yeah it is running but I cannot see with netstat -pta
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the service must run under xinetd or in a separate daemon?
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<johnny>
well, on ubuntu and debian ltsp, tftp starts via openbsd-inetd (config in /etc/inetd.conf)), so it won't show up in netstat until it's actually been proxied a connection
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ah.. yes correct gecko__ :)
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just try locally on the server itself
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tftp localhost
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<gecko__>
I try to make it function all day and nothing I was very close to give up but this help make me go on :)
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<johnny>
GET /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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if that works, then you should try from another machine on the network
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not one of the ones you're currently attempting to boot
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<sweetpi>
tftp yourip 69 -c get /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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not all have lts.conf
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<johnny>
ah.. that's right.. ubuntu still doesn't install a default (in my world they do)
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hah
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<gecko__>
file not found
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:S
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<johnny>
well at least tftp works
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<gecko__>
jejeje
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<johnny>
try the one sweetpi said
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<gecko__>
ok
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<johnny>
if that works, try it from another computer
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unless you're already doing that..
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<sweetpi>
the only time ive seen E38 is from a cable that had a short
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<gecko__>
cannot get anything still
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<sweetpi>
it didnt download vmlinuz?
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<johnny>
ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz if that is the case
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<gecko__>
ok I think I fix it now but I see PXE-T01: File not found
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nothing
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<johnny>
for the ls? that would mean you don't actually have a client os installed
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ls /opt/ltsp/
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<gecko__>
actually I try to install tcos, and I have /var/lib/tftpboot/tcos/pxelinux.0
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but I cannot get that file
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<sweetpi>
cant get it locally or from the client?
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<gecko__>
even locally
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I supposse to get that file with tftp localhost
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and then get /tcos/pxelinux.0 is that true?
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<sweetpi>
yes
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if you cant get it, maybe a permissions problem
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<gecko__>
mmm what permissions are the good ones?
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<sweetpi>
check if you can get it locally
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<gecko__>
http://pastebin.com/hDZZcUxz
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cannot get locally and from the client
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<sweetpi>
tftpd is running in secure mode is my guess
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<gecko__>
how is it?
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<sweetpi>
pxelinux.0 needs to be inside the tftpboot dir
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right now its a symlink outside of it
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I copy the entire syslinux dir inside of my tftpboot dir
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btw secure mode is -s if i remember right
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<gecko__>
so let's copy
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<sweetpi>
see if you can get one of those files that are not symlinks first
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<gecko__>
ok :)
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<johnny>
tcos ?
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<gecko__>
what suppose to see if I get it correctly??
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<vagrantc>
tcos is another thin-client system
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<sweetpi>
the file should show up in pwd
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<gecko__>
yeah tcos-project
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<johnny>
dude.. yo uare in the wrong place
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<vagrantc>
loads a big initramfs
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<johnny>
why are you here?
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<gecko__>
cause it is very similar
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<vagrantc>
it uses ltspfs, even
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but it's really not LTSP
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<gecko__>
and I do LTSP twice before
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<johnny>
gecko__, i didn't sign up (hah) to give support for other projects..
23:43* vagrantc notes that there's no place to sign up, per se...
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<johnny>
that's the hah part.
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<gecko__>
really sorry, that is not my intension
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<johnny>
g'day vagrantc
23:43* vagrantc waves
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<sweetpi>
gecko__: after you run the command, see if the file is in the directory you ran the command from
23:44* johnny wonders what vagrantc is gonna do at debconf
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<vagrantc>
johnny: i hope to have a few good laughs.
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yes, that would be good.
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on my bike ride to work today, i was thinking about giving a lightning talk on uCurmudgeonKit
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<johnny>
hah
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now if only we didn't need to through through hal to end up with the awesome udev that exists now
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go through*
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then what we know of as devicekit-* would have already existed sooner..
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<vagrantc>
the only API/ABI changes to uCurmudgeonKit would be to change the project name to match the current project naming trends
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thus, it will never be obsolete
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<johnny>
yeah.. not sure about Kit vs Manager
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i wonder if there is a method to the madness
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i only care about what they do tho.. not what they are named
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<gecko__>
sweetpi: I think it ok now I just have to check my dhcp config file
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<vagrantc>
that's where your projects will fail you
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<johnny>
i'm pretty impressed by what the new disk ui does
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<vagrantc>
uCurmudgeonKit *only* cares about name changes, functionality remains the same!
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<johnny>
vagrantc, i was happy .. that in a distro independent (not yast,*drake,blah) i could plug in a fresh usb drive and set all the filesystem stuff, including encryption, in about 2 seconds
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<vagrantc>
sounds purty
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<johnny>
and the future fedora/redhat installers are going to use the same stuff in their installer
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<vagrantc>
on a good day, i can do it in about 15 seconds manually
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<johnny>
the backend part of it
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vagrantc, sure.. but you're an expert
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<johnny>
this thing isn't perfect for new people, but it's pretty good
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it even recommends that you use Fat32 if you say you're using it to share with other computers
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<vagrantc>
anything that puts encryption in the hands of people who don't understand it seems... likely to fail in the most human of ways.
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<johnny>
i guess.. all it involves is remembering your password ..
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obviously any distributor could remove that option if they wanted
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<vagrantc>
and a password that isn't triviall crackable...
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<johnny>
i just found that it was great for me.. so i didn't have to try to remember lv*,pv*, blah
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<vagrantc>
sure
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<sweetpi>
gecko__: pls stay in channel, not msg
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gecko__: nobody else will learn from private conversations :)
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<johnny>
vagrantc, it's also cool, in that you can command it to do those things on other servers.. if you so chose
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<gecko__>
yeah sorry
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<johnny>
i'm pretty happy with all this code sharing btw.. :)
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<gecko__>
un 20 00:01:04 gecko in.tftpd[19505]: tftp: client does not accept options I got this on my syslog
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<johnny>
vagrantc, nobody is stopping you from doing it the old way (yet)
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<vagrantc>
johnny: oh, they will
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<sweetpi>
gecko__: i get that too.. so i dont think thats your problem
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<johnny>
i'm just so happy of all these people adopting some standard tools :)
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<vagrantc>
yeah, standards are good if they actually consistantly get adopted
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<johnny>
i always hated all t hat *drake stuff on mandrake, and yast on SuSe
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and whatever redhat had
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<vagrantc>
me too
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<johnny>
so.. now we're adopting something that works across many places
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<gecko__>
sweetpi: my terminal do not pass fro GATEWAY IP ......
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<sweetpi>
so ... out of context.. "standards are good if they become standard"? i agree :)
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<vagrantc>
oh look, dracut's in debina
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debian
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<sweetpi>
gecko__: set in dhcp conf
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<johnny>
but initramfs-tools is still used by default tho right?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: most certainly
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i should try it with ltsp, though
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<johnny>
maybe one day they will adopt dracut
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vagrantc, and you can poke the new fedora ltsp guy if his config doesn't work out of the box for you :)
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<vagrantc>
first step is to make it a viable alternative
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<johnny>
vagrantc, well, if you can take his dracut config and have it just work for ltsp
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then i'd say it's viable
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<vagrantc>
we'll find out... someday