IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 28 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<jofro>
goot morning
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<jofro>
is there anyone who can give me some suggestion for a terminalserver (ltsp) for approx. 20 users? Or where I can find some Informations about that?
01:59
I want to use ltsp with edubuntu
02:00
maybe hardware recommendation is more specific description for my question ;-)
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<uwe>
jofro, it heavily depends on what you are going to run on it .
02:00
im not an expert thoug
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<jofro>
hi uwe, it is for a german school, class 1 to 9... mostly they work with office programms and addtional education software which have to emulated with wine, because its win software...
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sorry for my english ;-)
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<kenguru>
same situation here but different country :)
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<jofro>
i read the recommendations from the ltsp site, but i need a more up to date one... maybe.. you should take the coreduo bla bla bla and dont take the ... do you understand what mean?
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kenguru, is it for you the same?
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<vagrantc>
!serversizing
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "serversizing" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<jofro>
i am not sure, but in germany the most poeple doesnt know edubuntu and the ltsp approach.. so in a pc shop you can't ask, he what do have for my problem ;-) thanks vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
jofro: i know there are active debian-edu projects in germany which use ltsp.
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jofro: http://wiki.skolelinux.de/
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<jofro>
cool...
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<uwe>
but i used for 8 machines, running mainly FF and 1-2 heavier app like OO2 or gimp , running on a machine with single cpu and 1 GB ram
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oh, sorry for late reply
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<jernst>
hello, I have a new problem not directly related to ltsp but to nfs. I cannot mount anymore from client machines. One strange thing (I think) is that the file /var/lib/nfs/xtab is empty...
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<jofro>
okay uwe and the others.. i have to leave.. see you the next time.. bye!
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<psycodad1>
moin folks, im having serious performance probs on a dualheaded ws (300MHz, MGA450, 100MBit EEpro), moving windows or switching windows is feeling sluggish, while my colleagues 800MHz with i810 reacts like local....my ws somehow feels like over vnc or such alike
02:55
anybody any hints where i could improve this or is 300MHz too weak for a WS ?
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<sep>
psycodad1, i'd say a tad on the slow side. but if you use a ligth desktop/windowmanager you should get decent usage out of it.
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<Patina>
My 200MHz WS (not dualhead) works quite well with Window Maker as window manager.
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<psycodad1>
sep, its just strange, that when i login into my kde-session on the colleagues WS i get a perfect response, but on my box im suspecting the graphic card or the system (bus) as bottleneck, im just wonderin if there are any acceleration switches in my XConfig-4 that i missed..
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<sep>
this is regular local or diskless workstations right ?
03:07
check what drivers you use
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<psycodad1>
sep, its a deskpro cpq without harddrive, booting rom-o-matic floppy for eepro100, 256MB Ram and an MGA450 (or a 400, not 100% sure) and I use a XF86Config-4 which i adapted from the autogenerated for mga for dualheaded (since i never got the dualhead stuff working from within lts.conf)
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i have ordered recent mga450 pci (the one i use is about 5 yrs old) i'll try with an 800MHz client and a new mga and see what happens then
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<psycodad1>
is there way to probe the grafics card memory if lspci doesnt report it ?
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<psycodad>
login in under icewmlite or wmaker shows the same sluggish behavious so i think its not a matter of heavyweight wm
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<ericakolangto>
hello guys
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everybody here still kickin and alive? :)
03:56
sorry to bother you all, got a problem with my LTSP and hope you can help me get through with it
03:56
:D
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<sep>
ericakolangto, you are aware that you get no help, unless you actually askes something ? see /topic
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<ericakolangto>
LTSP Local device support - USB stick
04:08
Followed the step by step configurations and was able to make it work.. I can see the USB icon at the workstations when inserting USB stick
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as the documentation says, the drive is automatically mounted and unmounted after 2 seconds of no activity
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tried to open the icon and I was able to copy the files into it but when I tried to read the USB stick on my other windows machine. there are no files in it..
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so how is it?
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<Kodex>
ericakolangto, what's the LTSP version number?
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<cliebow>
eric:is the stic partitioned?
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<Envite>
Hello all from Spain
05:24
Hola a todos desde España
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<tmjb>
hello i got problem specifing RDP_OPTIONS="-r printer:testprn=\"Samsung ML-1510_700 Series\" " i got parse error ?
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<crudo>
Hello :D Is there anyway to get the ltsp files without put them in http? I want to get them in a local directory, it is possible? I try to read the ltspadmin perl code but seems like use HTTP protocol only.
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<McPolo>
Why can't you download them via http?-)
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<crudo>
I was tryin to put them in a CDROM to easy the process.
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<cliebow>
arent those cached?
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<crudo>
cliebow: and if I try to install in another machine, its more easy to get them from an CDROM than get them from internet :P
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<danrez>
crudo: take a look at wiki.. how to install from ISO
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<cliebow>
crudo:i unserstand
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<crudo>
danrez: thankis
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cliebow: :D
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<cliebow>
crudo: look in pkg_cache
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<giokob>
hi guys, i'got a problem
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i'am using kubuntu dapper drake, built ltsp server on it
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for desktop manager i use kdm
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<giokob>
but there is a problem when kdm loads keyboad doesn't work
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so i can't log in
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something strange happens, if i remove file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf , then loads gdm :-) and everything works
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so i think the problem is with kdm?!
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any ideas?
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and why gdm loads on kubuntu?
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<uwe>
giokob, si the remote X server IP set correctly in lts.conf
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<giokob>
yes it is
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<ericakolangto>
Kodex --> ericakolangto, what's the LTSP version number? --> it's 4.2 Sir ..
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<ericakolangto>
<cliebow> eric:is the stic partitioned? --> I'm newbie sir, don't know what it is all about. All I know is that I am using a PQI 1GB USB thumbdrive
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<Kodex>
ericakolangto, have you tried waiting a little more than 2 seconds?
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<ericakolangto>
<cliebow> how do you know a usb stick if partitioned or not? ... When plugging to my winXP it is automatically detected and assigned to a specic Drive.. life I:\ or G:\
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<kodex> yes sir I am, just to make sure also, I had to let it idle for 5 minutes
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<ericakolangto>
<kodex> is it ok with PQI products Sir?
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<kodex> how do you know a usb stick if partitioned or not? thanks again
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<cliebow_>
erica:still there/
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:!!!
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<tmjb>
why i get parse error with this conf RDP_OPTIONS = '-5 -a 16 -f -u user -r printer:testprn="Samsung ML-1510_700 Series"' any workaround ?
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<efra>
Hi everybody
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<cliebow_>
hey:anyone willing to pinga site for me/
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24.75.251.38
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<vagrantc>
cliebow_: no response
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<cliebow_>
thsnks
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8~)
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<jammcq>
rjune: ping
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<BilboFett>
good morning
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my screen just suddenly went black; any tips (I can still use the shell) to shock it back into display?
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<BilboFett>
my screen just suddenly went black; any tips (I can still use the shell) to shock it back into display?
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<vagrantc>
is X running?
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<BilboFett>
I was running avast virus scan and it got to about 90% on a system scan and the screen went black. Now there's no mouse, nothing
12:06
I can hit ctrl+alt+f2 to get my shell
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how can I check to see if X is running?
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<vagrantc>
ps aux | egrep X
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<BilboFett>
ok just a sec and thanks for the help
12:08
I guess I don't know what I'm doing
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egrep command not found
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<vagrantc>
ps aux | grep X
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this is on a thin-client?
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<BilboFett>
yes
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ok there we go
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hmm
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not sure how to interpret the results :)
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is there something I should look for, or, should I tell you what it says sir?
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<vagrantc>
look in the far right column, and tell me what has "X" in it.
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<BilboFett>
S /bin/bash/ /etc/screen.d/startx
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/usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg -query 192.168.0.254 -x
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<vagrantc>
capital "X" ?
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<BilboFett>
ps aux
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<vagrantc>
ah, that's the one.
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<BilboFett>
grep x
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<vagrantc>
Xorg
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<BilboFett>
ok..
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<vagrantc>
so... it's still running ... but the screen is just blanked out?
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<BilboFett>
yup
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not even a mouse
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so thats my question... any way to "zap" a service into restarting, or "shocking" something into making the display come back on?
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<vagrantc>
killall -HUP Xorg ... might do it. but it might just kill your session.
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<BilboFett>
I don't know what happened.. was running avast.. full system scan, got to about 90%, I walked outside, came back in and the screen was black
12:15
that killall command will JUST end my root session in on the thin client and won't restart or shutdown the server, right? I'm at a school and I have 85 users on right now
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<vagrantc>
BilboFett: if you run it on the thin-client, it will only affect the thin-client.
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BilboFett: from the thin-client's console, that is.
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<BilboFett>
heh
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ended my session
12:21
thanks
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<rangerpb>
jammcq, long time no see, you around?
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<jammcq>
hey rangerpb
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how's it goin?
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<rangerpb>
mind if I ask a question?
15:55
going ok
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<jammcq>
sure, ask away
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<rangerpb>
ever seen where workstations boot up but when switch to X keep search for a proper res and eventually bails out? And this is all workstations
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should i just boot them to shell and manually startx to see whats going on, is that the easiest>
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?
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<jammcq>
yeah, i'd try starting X manually, see what happens
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<cliebow>
raangerpb: intel mobo?
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<rangerpb>
nvidia on both
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<cliebow>
wasnt there a discussion on nv vs nvidia driver once?
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<yanu>
kubuntu + ltsp , no automounting of usb-devices on the server
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<yanu>
solution : in /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry change defaults to defaults,users
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is that a good id?
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<daniQ>
cliebow?
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<rjune>
jammcq: pong
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<kaos01>
hi, i have no idea about ltsp, but iam trying to boot of pxe like kernel /lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/bzImage-2.6.9-ltsp-3 init=/linuxrc rw root=/dev
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/ram0 IMANGE=create
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but the IMANGE=create part doesnt work, it worked on grub
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<cliebow>
daaniQ:Hey!
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<daniQ>
cliebow - i knew you would get here eventually
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i found out what bill did to the microjunk side
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he restored it back too far...or so he said
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<rangerpb>
cliebow still around?
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<dberkholz>
hi there rangerpb
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<rangerpb>
hey dberkholz
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I was going to talk with you; did you get enough folks on your project?
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for ltsp and gentoo?
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<dberkholz>
rangerpb: in theory yes, in reality one of them doesn't seem to be making any progress
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<rangerpb>
dberkholz, ugh
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<dberkholz>
rangerpb: so if you're interested, the task is to port the init scripts
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<rangerpb>
dberkholz, well i guess ping me should you need help. i'm supposed to be on Gentoo LOA as I got so pissed at the ppc64 team I couldnt take it
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<dberkholz>
rangerpb: yeah i think i read your post or blog or whatever you've got about that
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rangerpb: what's the deal?
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<rangerpb>
some of the infighting was impacting us (from outside the team) and then nobody on the team but corsair and I were doing a darn thing
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<rangerpb>
but maybe working with you would change my mind?
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<dberkholz>
that's why teams can actually get to be a problem when they get bigger, nobody will take any responsibility
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with the ltsp stuff, i know exactly who to blame =P
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<dberkholz>
rangerpb: we're sort of coordinating it in #gentoo-cluster
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<rangerpb>
even worse, people said they would do stuff and never do it; if they simply didnt commmit, it would be better
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ok, i should join
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dberkholz, you have an overlay you are working from?
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<dberkholz>
mostly working out of bzr checkouts
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i've got a fair bit of info at d.g.o/~me/ltsp/
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<rangerpb>
anyone know where to fish when your ws wont start X with an error of "XDMCP fatal error: Manager unwilling, Host unwilling"
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<dberkholz>
nolisten tcp in your *dm?
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<rangerpb>
i thought I commented that out, lemme check
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<cliebow>
daniq: i see.i think
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rangerpb:how goes it?
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<rangerpb>
howdy cliebow, trying to get my old ltsp install going and having issues
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<cliebow>
anything i cana do?
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this with netvista you mean?
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<rangerpb>
no, with regular old pcs
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"XDMCP fatal error: Manager unwilling, Host unwilling"
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dberkholz, this should be enough right? -> #DisplayManager.requestPort: 0
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<cliebow>
kdm or gdm?
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<rangerpb>
xdm
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<cliebow>
is it listening on 177?
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on server?
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<dberkholz>
rangerpb: i didn't realize anybody actually used xdm
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<rangerpb>
netstat -anp | grep ":177 "
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udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* 16587/xdm
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too darn lazy to emerge gdm
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<cliebow>
looks great
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<rangerpb>
i spose I coiuld
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<cliebow>
Xaccess?
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<rangerpb>
cliebow elaborate?
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<cliebow>
* any client czn get logon..
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err thata was in redhat'
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<rangerpb>
that was commented out
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lemme try that
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<cliebow>
yeaha
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<rangerpb>
that brings up xdm, now after I login, it just resets to the login prompt again
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I remember reading something about that...
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<cliebow>
like homedir?
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<dberkholz>
rangerpb: you firewalling udp/177 or tcp/6000
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<rangerpb>
nope
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<dberkholz>
or using nat
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<rangerpb>
not on that box
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<cliebow>
boy its been two years since i fought that fght
19:14
<dberkholz>
i'd just dig around google, there's a ton of info
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<rangerpb>
it's in the docs, just gotta find
19:14
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting#Launching_X_to_give_a_graphical
19:15
but that didnt fix it
19:15
<cliebow>
i know Gadi had me doub le check pwems on my homedirs when that hhappened last to me
19:16
<rangerpb>
neither root or regular user can login
19:16
odd
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<cliebow>
wondeer where "dad" is
19:18
seems like Xsession controls after kdm has allowed login..is this redahattish or debain?
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<rangerpb>
jammcq, anything you can weigh in on here?
19:25
<cliebow>
what distro?
19:25
<rangerpb>
gentoo
19:25
<cliebow>
and login is normal on the server
19:26
<rangerpb>
I'd have to run to the basement and check
19:26
but likely not if this is dorked up ;)
19:26
<cliebow>
logs enough available to know pam is ok?
19:26
i bet it is perms somewhere
19:27
i know wmy /home was set so no one could enter 8~)
19:27
silly me
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<rangerpb>
nothing obvious on the logs
19:28
assuming i am looking at the right logs
19:28
<cliebow>
and this is ltsp-4.1 or do?
19:28
<rangerpb>
yep
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<cliebow>
not that that means much
19:30
we need "Superjammcq:able tol eap tall distros in a single bound
19:32
<rangerpb>
yeah, same behavior @ the "console"
19:34
<cliebow>
authentication by files or ldap?
19:36
<rangerpb>
files
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but it accepts my authentication it seems
19:38
<cliebow>
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-456222-highlight-xdm.html..any help?
19:39
xdm.log?
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<rangerpb>
nothing obvious there, i looked
19:41
my file looked ok there too
19:42
<cliebow>
prob youll have to switch to shell and work u from there/
19:44
<rangerpb>
hmm
19:44
check out this:
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/etc/ltsp-sound.sh: line 47: /usr/bin/ltspinfo: Permission denied
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xdm error (pid 32311): Display cbaude:0 is being disabled
19:44
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
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<cliebow>
hmmm. a real clue
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<cliebow>
/etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh?
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<rangerpb>
i commented the ltsp-sound gorp out, no help
19:49
and gdm doesnt even pop up a login, damned odd
19:51
<cliebow>
gdm prob jas an xdmcp section that needs attention
19:51
uncomment port anad..and.err
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oh yeaha something about enabled
19:53
rjune:dont take gorp too seriously 8~)
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<rangerpb>
running out of steam, thanks for the help cliebow
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<rjune>
cliebow: ?
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<cliebow>
rjune:heh
20:30
rangerpb was having issues getting ltsp running again
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<rjune>
gorp gorp
20:30
<cliebow>
one man's gorp is anothers elegant script
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<chupacabra>
buenas noches. tal vez nos vemos en vegas
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hehe
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<cliebow>
yo
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and ngite
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Galls!
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<cliebow>
bALLS bALLS!
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GNITE
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<chupacabra>
hey cleibow
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oops
20:33
you mail ok?
20:33
a spam got by the other day
20:33
<cliebow>
i didnt notice..
20:33
from ltsp.org?
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