IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 12 December 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<tomcats>
exit
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<shogunx>
is lbus not being used in ltsp5/ubuntu muekow?
02:06
for localdev that is?
02:07
looks like it requires ldm's ssh keys method to work.
02:08
while I am using gdm...
02:09
jammcq?
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<Darke->
Hi, I got my ltsp server up and running, got a working client. I'v mounted the remote filesystem.. X starts up with GDM and everyting works fine.
04:16
But, i cannot log in on the client.
04:17
I am running SLES10 on the server.
04:17
Any toughts ?
04:18
sshd is running and working like normal.
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04:33
<shogunx>
hey, ogra!
04:34
i have a edgy localdev question.
04:36
have the lbus daemons been abandoned or integrated into ltspfs and ltspfsd? i noticed that the udev scripts pass ltspfsmounter commands through a socket, but that only works with ssh-keys seup, correct?
04:37
i'm working a patch now that will work with non ssh tunneled(xdmcp) sessions.
04:37
<Darke->
shogunx: you seem to be the only person not afk here, you might be able to help me ?
04:37
<shogunx>
its using the lbussd and lbuscd daemons, if you would like it.
04:37
whats up Darke-
04:38
<Darke->
read my questions above :) thin you can help ?
04:38
<shogunx>
you are using ldm, correct?
04:39
<Darke->
hmm
04:39
<shogunx>
oh... gdm
04:40
<Darke->
gdm yes
04:40
<shogunx>
what happens when you log in?
04:41
<Darke->
Well, atm i dont use a "real" thin client. I boot a normal machine of a ROM floppy, it loads kernel from the server and mounts the filesystem (/opt/lts/i386)
04:41
and starts x with gdm
04:41
but i cannot log in
04:41
read something about ltsp-update-sshkeys, but i got no such package.
04:42
<shogunx>
what happens when you log in?
04:42
<Darke->
well incorrect user/pass
04:43
so i cant log in.
04:43
<shogunx>
are you trying to log in as root?
04:44
what happens when you log in from the console with the same user/pass? from a console x session?
04:44
<Darke->
tryed with every user that excists on the ltsp server
04:45
sorry, on the phone :P
04:45
sec
04:45
<shogunx>
caps lock?
04:47
<ogra>
shogunx, please coordinate with sbalneav on that, he was switching the whole communication layer to xatoms so the underlying system shouldnt matter anymore
04:47
but i dont know where he got with it
04:49
<shogunx>
i was thinking just another else in the /lib/udev/ scripts that made the appropriate calls to /tmp/lbus.fifo
04:49
will do ogra
04:50
<ogra>
great, thanks :)
04:50
he wanted to have something ready for feisty ...
04:50
<Darke->
ok back
04:50
no its not a typo problem
04:51
<ogra>
apart from that we're still discussing an unencrypted ssh tunnel that should behave like xdmcp but wouldnt need the overhead ... and you have at least the key handshake
04:51
<shogunx>
ack. this is workign much better than my nasty kludge to make it work on dapper... the 2 second umount is actually working.
04:51
<Darke->
ogra: im using xdmcp
04:51
but i cant just log in, on the client.
04:52
<ogra>
well, its not much supported in ubuntu ltsp5
04:52
(yet)
04:52
<Darke->
im not using ubuntu :)
04:52
<ogra>
since its evil and incesure ...
04:52
right, but we were talking about ubuntu ;)
04:52
<Darke->
the ltsp server is running SLES10
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ah
04:52
ok ;)
04:53
<ogra>
suse didnt join the bandwagon yet (unlike gentoo and redhat) they will likely miss out on ltsp5
04:54
<Darke->
and what is this ltsp-update-sshkeys that i read about ppl using on the forums. I got ltsp-utils, but i only got ltspcfg ltspadmin ltspinfo
04:54
<ogra>
its a part of the ltsp5 implementation
04:54
<Darke->
ah >.<
04:54
<ogra>
you wont find it in 4.X
04:54
<shogunx>
ogra i kind of figured... it was a bear on dapper, but getting there with edgy. as for suse, novell joined the wrong bandwagon for them, i think.
04:55
<Darke->
but i should be able to fix this still ? i mean, i got all working.. Should not be impossible to fix the login.
04:55
<ogra>
right, but thats not ltsp related :)
04:55
<shogunx>
ogra true
04:55
<ogra>
we invited them to the ltsp hackfest in detroit in september where we planned the implementation for other distros than ubuntu/debian
04:56
<shogunx>
they did not come? thats a mistake.
04:57
<Darke->
ogra: hehe ;) true, but you dont think you could give me a few toughts ?
04:57
could really use some help here ;P im to close to stop now :)
04:58
<shogunx>
in any case, i'll have this lbus interface cleaned up in udev tonight or tomorrow... ill kick it over to scotty and see if he wants to use it.
04:58
thanx ogra
05:00
Darke- do you have a proper /etc/X11/Xsession or /etc/gdm/Xsession on the server?
05:01
or is it telling you bad password?
05:01
<Darke->
yes
05:01
i get the gdm login promt on the client
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but it tells me either wrong user or pass or both ;P uno the standard stuff :)
05:02
<shogunx>
are you sure you are connected to the right server via xdmcp?
05:02
<Darke->
O_O
05:03
if i was not ? would it work at all ?
05:03
<shogunx>
yes
05:03
<Darke->
there is no other server to connect to
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<Darke->
hmm
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<shogunx>
i don;t know what to tell you, man. i've never seen that happen.
05:04
<Darke->
anything you want me to check ?
05:06
<shogunx>
you can login via gdm from the console of the box?
05:06
the actual server that is?
05:08
if so, then perhaps /etc/gdm.conf might need a bit of tweaking.
05:09
<Darke->
hmm
05:09
you asking if i can login on the actual server ? ;P
05:09
thrue gdm
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yes
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<Darke->
works
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...
05:17
gdm.conf needed some work :)
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<vykarian>
hey guys
06:17
jammcq there?
06:17
does someone know where can I find a .config for 2.4 kernel series
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?
06:19
<cliebow>
isnt in the kernel kit?
06:20
<vykarian>
cliebow just 2.6 series =\ (at least the last version)
06:22
<cliebow>
lemme look aaround..i must have one aaround somewhere
06:22
<vykarian>
:):)
06:22
<cliebow>
im off to school
06:22
<vykarian>
the 2.6 has problems for dosemu ipx devices
06:22
<cliebow>
jammcq should be around by aand by 8`)
06:23
<vykarian>
already tried to hack out the dosemu but prefer downgrade the kernel
06:23
<cliebow>
yeah..bbiaab
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<yo>
bisa bahasa indonesia
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07:23
<cliebow_>
2 :q
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07:25
<xs4rg7nt>
hi every one im feel so cool this morning
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<cliebow_>
gonna be one of those days
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<jammcq>
howdie
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08:42
<chupacabra>
yo
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<xs4rg7nt>
jimm
08:44
how are you
08:44
i have a ltsp network with about 20 clients
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and 15 work fine but 5 clients restart X every 40 minutes
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or so so
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08:58
<Fingahzz>
Morning! Anyone familiar w/ fstab ;-)
08:58
<-- has a really *silly* question.
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<cliebow_>
xs4rg7nt:how much memory in the ones that crash?
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09:42
<bricode>
ogra: Got that workstation script to work quite nicely.
09:42
<ogra>
cool
09:42
but mind you, mounting /home locally will quickly run you out of mem, you need an nfs mounted /home and something like ldap
09:42
<bricode>
ogra: It's funny because you have to turn the sound off in the lts.conf file for it to work properly client side.
09:43
<ogra>
yeah
09:43
thats something i need to fix in the ltsp-client initscript ...
09:43
<bricode>
I've mounted everything on the NFS side.
09:43
<ogra>
it should just ignore certtain things in a workstation env
09:43
<bricode>
Also xorg was a little weird because I wanted a custom one for decent video drivers.
09:44
Took me forever to track down that I needed an lts.conf file, and where said file was hidden, and that it should be in /etc/
09:44
<ogra>
thast right, the xorg autogeneration wont be touched
09:45
<bricode>
But now I've got a "fat" client that does sound and video. Google maps runs like a champ. The only thing that sucks now is Flash.
09:45
<ogra>
and we'll ship an empty lts.conf in feisty i think, even its totally moot to have it, people seem to get very confused if its not there
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09:45
<ogra>
vagrantc, freeze-congrats :)
09:45
<bricode>
That would be a good idea.
09:46
<vagrantc>
ogra: hopefully we can backport ltspfs without requiring an ltsp backport... :)
09:46
<ogra>
well, i'd rather get the info across that lts.conf should only be used to actually override defaults
09:46
<bricode>
Hopefully Adobe will implement some decent video acceleration in Flash 10...like say, an xvideo overlay implementation.
09:46
<ogra>
vagrantc, did you keep the socket in ldm ?
09:46
or at least the socket code ...
09:46
<vagrantc>
ogra: if localdev is enabled, yes.
09:46
<ogra>
cool
09:47
so backporting shouldnt be a prob
09:47
<bricode>
Is there a place where the defaults for ltsp are defined?
09:47
<ogra>
i'm just waiting for sbalneav to check who fixes the package
09:47
<vagrantc>
i think there was some code added to edgy specifically for localdev that we didn't get into etch.
09:47
added to ldm
09:47
<ogra>
bricode, they are autodetected by the OS (in ltsp5)
09:48
in ltsp4.x you have to define some pieces in lts.conf and soem are autodetected ... and afaik 4.x doesnt even boot if no lts.conf is there but i might remember that wrongly
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<bricode>
ogra: I don't have a problem with autodetection, but if you have to change it, there isn't much guidance on what happens and when during the boot process...
09:51
<ogra>
well, udev and the kernel are supposed to detect HW, alsa detects sound cards and the ltsp-client initscript calls the autoconfig routine from xserver-xorg
09:52
so there is not much "ltsp autodetection" involved
09:52
its all done by the bits and pieces of the OS
09:53
some additional things are done in the ltsp-client-setup initscript ... actually thats the core of muecow ...
09:54
<bricode>
ogra: maybe I'm just irritated because it didn't do a good job with the bizarre vid card :)
09:54
<ogra>
what kind of card is that ?
09:54
<bricode>
ogra: Everything else was pie.
09:54
ogra: It's the Geode LX on-chip stuff. I had to roll my own xorg drivers to get the video overlay stuff to work...
09:55
<ogra>
ah, right, i'll care that they are updated until release ...
09:55
dunno where rodravus stands with the xorg updates atm
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09:56
<ogra>
but we discussed that already ... for unichrome and geode
09:56
<bricode>
ogra: I've been in light contact with Jordan Crouse who said that he was too busy with Geode Gx stuff for the OLPC.
09:56
<ogra>
well, doesnt that also use X ?
09:56
<bricode>
ogra: So I'm thinking about adding to the amd drivers myself :)
09:57
ogra: The GX does, yes, but it's different enough that it requires it's own code tree...the LX branch has been rotting.
09:57
<ogra>
hmm, thats bad
09:57
<bricode>
ogra: Agreed.
09:58
ogra: So, I sort of want to talk to all the stakeholders, roll something, get feedback from them, and go from there.
09:59
<ogra>
cool
09:59
<bricode>
The LX chip is pretty powerful as long as you give it the right software to eat.
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10:00
<Megant__>
surely
10:00
<ogra>
sadly no
10:01
<sbalneav>
Morning all
10:01
<ogra>
sbalneav, is to lazy to set up logging for ltspbot :P
10:01
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra
10:01
<bricode>
sbalneav: 'morning.
10:01
<ogra>
hey sbalneav !!
10:01
<sbalneav>
what?!? It's logging! :)
10:01
It's just that we're not posting the logs anywhere :)
10:01
<ogra>
sbalneav, vagrantc has some issues with ltspfs for debian ... we should clean up the package so he can backport it :)
10:01
ah :)
10:02
<sbalneav>
I am getting bitten HARD by an ubuntu bug :(
10:02
<ogra>
ouch
10:02
what is it ?
10:02
lts bite back ;)
10:02
*lets
10:02
<sbalneav>
62308
10:02* vagrantc bares teeth
10:02
<sbalneav>
NFS server doesn't work :(
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<vagrantc>
bout time to do root over NBD, eh?
10:03
<sbalneav>
It's not LTSP stuff. It's shared home dirs.
10:03
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:03
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
10:03
<bricode>
sbalneav: Shared home dirs in what sense?
10:03
<sbalneav>
ok, lemme get bzr set up here on my box at work.
10:04
<ogra>
meh, thats an evil one
10:04
<sbalneav>
I've just got two LTSP servers, one serves /home to the other via nfs.
10:05
ogra: yeah, I tried moving to a 2.6.18.5 kernel earlier today. LDAP stopped authenticating. I'm gonna have to come in tonight and hack it through, see what's going on.
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10:05
<ogra>
did you try the feisty kernel (in an vmware or something for a test)
10:06
(thats 2.6.19)
10:07
<sbalneav>
No I didn't. Can I safely install a feisty kernel on a edgy box?
10:07
I'm certainly willing to try.
10:08
<ogra>
#57543 seems to have a patch for 2.6.17-1
10:10
<sbalneav>
argh. I'm an idiot. How do I locally check out a copy of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream again using bzr?
10:10* sbalneav hates this &(*!^*& project at work.
10:11
<vagrantc>
bzr get URL ??
10:11
<sbalneav>
durr
10:11* sbalneav slaps head with a herring
10:12
<vagrantc>
or if you prefer typing more, "bzr branch"
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10:13
<ogra>
vagrantc, which kernel will etch use ?
10:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: 2.6.18, i think.
10:13
ogra: just hit etch the other day.
10:13
<ogra>
ah
10:14
<vagrantc>
ogra: debian-installer still users .17 at the moment ...
10:14* bricode wonders what etch is.
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10:14* ogra hasnt even seen .18 ... ubuntu jumped to .19 right away
10:14
<vagrantc>
bricode: debian's next stable release
10:14
<ogra>
(and will ship .20 at realease time)
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<vagrantc>
i've rarely seen huge differences in kernels. but that probably comes with using hardware that's 6-8 years old.
10:15
<ogra>
lol
10:15
yeah
10:16
<vagrantc>
though the .17 kernels in debian didn't work with serial consoles...
10:16
and the switch from devfs to udev was certainly annoying.
10:16
that
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<vagrantc>
s about that only things i've noticed.
10:16
<Envite>
Hello all from Spain
10:16
Hola a todos desde España
10:17
<cliebow_>
Envite: Hello
10:18
<sbalneav>
Okay. Checked out, configured, built. Whatdda I need to feeex
10:18
?
10:18
<ogra>
vagrantc, the switch from devfs to udev ?
10:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: compare it agains the .orig.tar.gz from ubuntu
10:18
<sbalneav>
okie
10:18
<ogra>
thats more than a year ago for me :P
10:18
<Envite>
Hello cliebow_
10:18
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, that happened around 2.6.1(something)
10:18
<ogra>
yep
10:19
<vagrantc>
ogra: about the same here, but it wasn't somethig i would've expected in the 2.6 series ...
10:19
<ogra>
sbalneav, drop the complete ltspfs postinst content please
10:19
<bricode>
udev was a painful transition.
10:19
but worthwhile.
10:19
<ogra>
fuse-utils cares for the module loading
10:19
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i also have a bzr branch for my changes to the packaging, though some things are debian-specific.
10:19
<sbalneav>
OK, that's in the -packaging branch, I beleive, yes?
10:20
<ogra>
and for ubuntu we should move the scripts we have no manpages for to /usr/share/ltspfsd
10:20
for the backport for vagranbt that would brak though
10:20
yeah, thats in the debian dir
10:21
scripts we have no manpages for -> see the lintian-override file
10:21
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs-debian-packaging
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10:21
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: but don't just merge wholesale.
10:21
<efra>
Hi everybody
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10:21
<ogra>
vagrantc, if sbalneav fixes these issues you could sync the package via utnubu
10:21
<sbalneav>
ok, give me a few minutes here, phone's rining off the hook :)
10:22
<ogra>
they are supposed to do ubuntu->debian syncs
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10:26
<ogra>
so you wouldnt have to maintain it in two places ...
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<sbalneav>
ogra: well, we don't want to drop the chmod 4755 of lbmount, do we?
10:35
<ogra>
nope
10:35
<sbalneav>
ok
10:36
<ogra>
but all the module related stuff
10:36
<sbalneav>
k, gotcha
10:36
<vagrantc>
ogra: utnubu, eh?
10:37
<ogra>
vagrantc, yes that project that exists since 18months ...
10:37
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, i'm aware of it.
10:37
<ogra>
nobody in debian seems to know about it ...
10:37
or to use it
10:37
<vagrantc>
ogra: i recall there was a lot of controversey when it first started.
10:37
<ogra>
well, they are donig some packages ...
10:38
<vagrantc>
canonical didn't like that the name was so similar to ubuntu
10:38
<ogra>
dmraid and teatime applet are two from the top of my head :)
10:38
right
10:38
<vagrantc>
bzrtools, as well.
10:38
<ogra>
but they kept it and we stopped complaining :)
10:40
<vagrantc>
we'll see how many debian-specific differences it requires for ltspfs ... if it's just maintainer/uploaders fields ... i don't really see any reason to maintain it in another project
10:40
<ogra>
right
10:40
i'd like to get it there
10:41
<vagrantc>
we've got a long ways to go for ltsp...
10:41
<ogra>
maintainer fileds are automatically rewritten by LP now
10:41
not really
10:41
the differentces get less and less :)
10:41
<vagrantc>
i've only see the difference increase since breezy
10:41
<ogra>
i just didnt have time in edgy to sort them all
10:41
yes, so lets fix that ;)
10:41
<vagrantc>
ok! :)
10:42
<ogra>
i.e. send me that list with changes you want and i'll make them :)
10:42
apart from the control file we should be on par with the feisty release i hope
10:43
<vagrantc>
i'm hoping the spanish crew gets it's act together and submits a new spanish translation. it would be a shame to have 3/4ths of a translation done and not make it into etch.
10:43
<sbalneav>
Oh, Lordy. 2.6.19-7 bigiron kernel panics right away :(
10:43
Woe is me
10:44
<bricode>
sbalneav: I'm starting to think that you like it when things don't work...gives you something to do :)
10:44
<vagrantc>
ogra: i still don't like the changes to ltsp-client-builder... it's soooo... hard-coded. :P
10:44
<ogra>
make me that list :P
10:44
i'll change what i can :)
10:45
ltsp-client-builder is in the process of being partially rewritten, so i can look into it
10:45
<sbalneav>
bricode: While I'm working on this NFS issue, I'm *NOT* working on LTSP, so, no, I don't like these kinds of problems :)
10:46
<ogra>
it depends *where* things stop working :)
10:46
<sbalneav>
Who's the kernel guy in devel?
10:46
<ogra>
if its the server that generates your breadrolls, thats never funny
10:47
BenC and kylem
10:47
<sbalneav>
Can I disturb him with a question? I know this is kind of a "supporty" thing :)
10:48
<ogra>
sure
10:48
refer to me pointing you to him since its important for edubuntu that NFS /home works in feisty;)
10:49
<jammcq>
breadrolls ?
10:50
<ogra>
sure :)
10:50
and cheese indeed :)
10:50
<jammcq>
and beer
10:50
mmmm yummy
10:50
<ogra>
cheese makes everything better :)
10:50
<jammcq>
indeed
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11:00
<vagrantc>
ogra: we should probably implement a get_bool funcion in shell for the init scripts.
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11:01
<ogra>
yeah
11:01
didnt we plan that in detroit ?
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11:01
<vagrantc>
looking at your lts-parameters.txt, i think your valid values for booleans are currently mosly lies :P
11:01
<ogra>
heh, right, but they should give users a hand
11:02* vagrantc thinks incorrect documentation can almost be worse that no documentation.
11:02
<ogra>
anyway, thin-client-configurator should make that all obsolete
11:02
<vagrantc>
bah.
11:03
if i can't edit files with a text editor, it's useless.
11:03
<ogra>
hey, i just redesigned the code, so you can have a curses interface
11:03
<vagrantc>
that's nice, but i still prefer a text editor :P
11:03
<ogra>
oki, i'll add the --hardcore switch that fires up $EDITOR
11:03
<cliebow_>
exit
11:04
reenter
11:04
<vagrantc>
ogra: probably not necessary, as long as the configuration file is sane. :P
11:04
<ogra>
it will
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11:04
<ogra>
boolean testing is on my list since detroit ...
11:05
i just didnt have the time .... edgy was way to short for all that extra stuff
11:05
<vagrantc>
it shouldn't be all that hard to implement.
11:05
a simple case statement...
11:05
<ogra>
right
11:05
<vagrantc>
and i'll fix up the python variant, too.
11:06
<ogra>
to something that also works in ubuntu ?
11:06
:)
11:06
<vagrantc>
yes.
11:06
<ogra>
cool
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11:06
<vagrantc>
i just rewrote some other program in python, and it gave me a more elegant idea for how to fix it that should be backwards compatible to python 1.5
11:06
<ogra>
apart from fat-clients and the pulseaudio switch i dont really have ltsp specs this time
11:07
<vagrantc>
nbd stuff?
11:07
<ogra>
thats all there already ...
11:07
i merged all your code and threw mine away
11:07
<vagrantc>
it still would be better to implement in nbd itself
11:07
<ogra>
just need to get cryptsetup to main
11:07
right
11:08
<vagrantc>
and get the timeout stuff working properly... though i thought of a simple nbd-ping thing we could run.
11:08
<ogra>
right
11:08
thats what i thought as well
11:08
integrated into nbdswapserver
11:08
<vagrantc>
basically just reading a random 1k from the raw device every now and then...
11:09
gah... y'all changed lots of stuff in ltspfs. looks like a backport will require a fair amount of work to be compatible with ltsp in debian :(
11:10
<ogra>
it shouldnt
11:10
<vagrantc>
binaries moved from /bin to /sbin ... additional code blocks in ldm ...
11:10
<ogra>
ltsp-client-setup should have the LOCALDEV condition
11:10
oh207, hmm
11:11
<vagrantc>
i really wish there had been more people actively working on it in debian.
11:11
<ogra>
we could change that for a backport ...
11:11
<vagrantc>
yeah
11:12
and i feel like a total IDIOT for not implementing a brain-dead simple ltsp-chroot. could of at least had one that sets the environment variables so that daemons don't get started.
11:12
<ogra>
well, next time
11:12
<vagrantc>
i had my eyes set on something fancier, and i missed the obvious simpler, more achievable goals.
11:12
<ogra>
i wanted to look at ltsp-chroot for upgrades etc anyway
11:13
<vagrantc>
it should set an environment variable, optionally respect $ROOT (which we should probably change to $LTSP_ROOT), and the fancy stuff i spent too much time on was mounting all the stuff in the chroot.
11:14
<ogra>
$LTSP_ROOT sounds good
11:14
i'll try to use that in ltsp-manager as well
11:14
<vagrantc>
i think the gentoo folks were worried that it would conflict with a variable they used. and it is a little too generic.
11:14
<ogra>
thin-client-configurator (sorry)
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11:15
<vagrantc>
well, now that etch is frozen, i can look at working on a backport :)
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11:15
<ogra>
for ubuntu i'm planning full update-manager integration anyway
11:15
<vagrantc>
all the things i've been putting off :)
11:15
<ogra>
right, same here ... just that i'm at the beginning of a schedule
11:15* ogra wonders if debian has update-manager at all
11:16
<vagrantc>
ogra: you know, i always know there's some phase of a cycle you are in that prevents you from doing anything, so you don't need to explain exactly which phase :P
11:16* vagrantc has no idea what update-manager is
11:16
<ogra>
the dist-upgrade tool we use in ubuntu
11:18* vagrantc applies for a tty operator job
11:19
<str4nd>
Megant_: ask about ctrl+alt+f7 :)
11:19
i just can't handle it :(
11:20
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'm wondering if we shouldn't do some sort of checking for SCREEN_NN that conflict with stuff that init and/or upstart are running ..
11:20
<ogra>
not really
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11:20
<ogra>
upstart should care if you want to access a tty
11:20
<vagrantc>
anyone coming from a ltsp 4.x background will get burned by it.
11:20
<ogra>
it will get the event ...
11:21
<vagrantc>
ogra: so ltsp-client init scripts should do some upstart event?
11:21
<ogra>
hmm ?
11:21
why should they get burned by it ?
11:21
it works here
11:22
<vagrantc>
if upstart is configured to run something on tty1, and they set SCREEN_01=shell ... what happens?
11:22
<ogra>
the only tty init/upstart use is tty1 as it was with sysvinit
11:22
<str4nd>
whai our ltsp 4 not vork fine
11:22
Megant_: ...
11:22
<ogra>
and it should free that tty if its done
11:22
the only thing i could imagine here would be a race condition
11:23
but thats a bug that would need fixage
11:23
<vagrantc>
the ltsp-client scripts blindly start something on the tty...
11:23
<ogra>
which is the correct way
11:23
its just important to make sure that tty is available
11:23
which is upstarts job
11:24
<vagrantc>
so, upstart starts running something on tty1, and ltsp-client tries to run something on tty1... what happens?
11:24
in that order.
11:24
<ogra>
it breaks
11:24
<vagrantc>
RIGHT. :P
11:25
<ogra>
our job is to make sure to start ltsp-client late enough that the tty is available
11:25
<Megant_>
So we have a problem. Our thin clients' X.orgs restart sometimes, but all together.
11:25
<vagrantc>
ogra: i would think our job is to make sure that the tty is available before spawning something on it ... ?
11:25
<ogra>
as it was our job to make sure sysvinit is done with everything before using something
11:25
right
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11:26
<ogra>
you said the same thing in other words
11:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, you said it should run late enough, i said it should be available.
11:27
there's a difference.
11:27
<Megant_>
Could someone help?
11:27
<str4nd>
ogra: help?
11:27
<ogra>
if its late enough to be available there isnt anymore :)
11:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: there's no way to configure upstart to run a process on a tty such that it stays running until you shut down the machine?
11:27
<ogra>
str4nd, i'm working on ltsp5, there is not much i know about 4.x
11:27
vagrantc, no idea ... upstart is still nonexistent
11:28
there is a binary that replaces init
11:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: huh?
11:28
<ogra>
but the whole concept isnt implemented yet
11:28
<vagrantc>
ok.
11:28
<ogra>
ubuntu edgy still uses sysvinit scripts but the upstart binary
11:28
<vagrantc>
well, at any rate, i don't care what the underlying init or init-like thing is, we should have some mechanism to check if a tty is available before using it.
11:28
<ogra>
for the tty's the event code is there
11:29
no
11:29
upstart will care
11:29
we'll need to change the initscript to be event driven
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11:29
<vagrantc>
yeah, that won't be any sort of fork :P
11:29
<ogra>
upstart has commands like: on tty
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11:29
<ogra>
or "on defaultroute"
11:30
i.e.: on tty startx
11:30
<vagrantc>
sounds cool.
11:30
<ogra>
would be a valid upstart initscript
11:30
<str4nd>
ogra: (k)ubuntu edgy + ltsp5 works?
11:30* vagrantc suspects it will be difficult to maintain upstart/sysv compatibility
11:30
<ogra>
and i think it would be worth it to make ltsp depend on upstart in debian ;)
11:31
str4nd, well, given that i type from a thin client thats an upgraded edgy ... i'd assume so :)
11:31
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, as debian is just an ubuntu sub-project, and totally malleable to ubuntu's will. :P
11:31
<ogra>
:PPP
11:31
i suspect debian will switch very soon to upstart
11:32
<vagrantc>
meanwhile, i want good backports to etch :P
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11:33
<ogra>
pfft backports ...
11:34
... which reminds me ... i have to do two as well
11:34
<vagrantc>
heh.
11:34
<ogra>
well, its rather bugfixes ...
11:35
but i have to backport them ...
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<vykarian>
hy all
11:56
does someone has a 2.4 kernel series .config file? the kernel packet only has 2.6 confs
11:56
jammcq u have?
12:03
<jammcq>
LTSP no longer suports the 2.4 kernels
12:04
2.4 was missing too many features, like initramfs and udev
12:07
<vykarian>
right, ty
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12:10
<wuuf>
hi all - anyone alive?
12:11* vagrantc is a zombie
12:11
<wuuf>
:-)
12:12
<cliebow_>
no 8~)
12:12
<wuuf>
I figured I check here before posting to mailing list - As I've seen a few people with the same problem, but they don't really get answered
12:13* wuuf is in the middle of an epic battle with an on-board ATI card
12:13
<cliebow_>
wuuf: give it a shot...
12:13
<wuuf>
well, for some reason, if I tell LTSP to use the radeon or ATI drivers, I get a black screen
12:13
but I can interact with it
12:14
<cliebow_>
can you snag a pci id so we know what you're up against?
12:14
<wuuf>
Xorg.0.0.log basically pukes about refresh rates being out of range
12:14
however, I've never had that spill over into a console
12:15
http://68.147.244.84/~woof/LTSP/LTSP.lspci
12:15
board is an Intel D101GGC
12:16
it's an ATI X300, basically
12:17
however, even knoppix doesn't see it quite right
12:17
http://68.147.244.84/~woof/LTSP/knoppix.lspci
12:17
<cliebow_>
what are you using for a driver/
12:18
<wuuf>
right now, it works with vesa
12:18
at first I tried radeon
12:18
and then ati
12:18
I figured the radeon should work - though I've seen tonnes of problems posted about it
12:19
even tried weird things like, using ATI but with no DRI
12:19
(which, apparently is supposed to fix one thing or the other)
12:20
thing is, I'm not even running a full X session on these guys - I'm just running rdesktop
12:20
<cliebow_>
will it work from alive cd..where you could grab the xorg.conf
12:20
<wuuf>
yeah
12:20
http://68.147.244.84/~woof/LTSP/knoppix.xorg.conf
12:21
<cliebow_>
i have to switch away from this pos..brb
12:21
<wuuf>
I've pasted all that stuff into a custom X for LTSP, still no luck
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12:21
<wuuf>
ok
12:21
:-)
12:22
thankfully, yesterday I found a esd->alsa patch which fixed up the sound
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12:24
<Envite>
Out for a coffee
12:24
<wuuf>
also, I've noted that there are plenty of posts on getting the nvidia binaries to work with LTSP, but no fglrx
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12:24
<wuuf>
ATI cards seem to be a bit of a bitch to work with, overall :-\
12:24
<cliebow__>
post that one more time?
12:24
<wuuf>
http://68.147.244.84/~woof/LTSP/knoppix.xorg.conf
12:25
> I've pasted all that stuff into a custom X for LTSP, still no luck
12:26
<cliebow__>
wuuf: did xvidtune tell you anything about a proper config?
12:26
<wuuf>
well, I don't have xvitune log, but I do have these :
12:27
http://68.147.244.84/~woof/LTSP/knoppix.xrandr
12:27
http://68.147.244.84/~woof/LTSP/knoppix.xdpyinfo
12:27
has anyone configured a card like this?
12:28
I've seen no real answer regarding fglrx configuration on LTSP
12:28
<cliebow__>
nothing jumps right out..perhaps the big guns will lok at it
12:29
<wuuf>
though there was some mention of r200 drivers permitting that card to use radeon drivers without complaining
12:29
cliebow__ : you ever seen anything on configuring fglrx on LTSP?
12:30
<cliebow_>
no never run across it
12:38
<wuuf>
mm
12:43
<shogunx>
hey sbalneav... how are you?
12:44
<ogra>
vagrantc, hmm, seems my answer to your mail doesnt get through ... i'm not subscribed to debian-edu (yet)
12:44
and pkg-ltsp-devel was only cc'ed
12:45
<shogunx>
does edgy's ltsp implementation still use the lbus daemons? I noticed ltspmounter getting passed via a socket, but that does not seem to do when not using ldm, so i patched together the /lib/udev scripts to support lbus also, if you want it, as I could not get localdev working otherwise.
12:45
<ogra>
but i didnt even get a reject message ...
12:45
shogunx, no it uses the ssh tunnel
12:46
non ldm setups are not supported yet
12:46
<shogunx>
ogra... right, but no ssh tunnel with gdm, correct?
12:46
<ogra>
right
12:46
no sound either
12:46
and many other no's
12:47
looks like we'll get an unencrypted ssh mode for ltsp in feisty ... so we probably will abandon xdmcp completely ... lets see
12:47
<shogunx>
right, hence my kludgearound that would add support for other *dms. sound worked fine via esd for me, but for things unlike xmms... the apps with no esound support, esddsp looks like the only way.
12:48
<ogra>
no, ldm sets some env variables ....
12:48
thats why it works out of the box with gnome for example ... since we4 force gstreamer to use the esd output sink
12:48
<shogunx>
all i have left is to extract the ${SIZE} data accurately for the call to lbus.fifo
12:49
<ogra>
but that will change a lot in feisty anyway
12:49
esd is history
12:49
for lbus jammcq would be your bettr target btw
12:49
<shogunx>
eh? new method to handle sound?
12:50
<wuuf>
well, there's an alsa->esd package
12:50
<shogunx>
ogra... i got it working for my purposes... usbsticks. just wondering if you guys wanted the patched files... it mostly trivial, but does the job.
12:50
<wuuf>
you use ESD as the sound Daemon but it allows you to use alsa
12:54
<shogunx>
i think the only issue I have had with esd was trying to support a SIP softphone, but we hashed that out here before... looks running as a local app is the only reasonable way to do that.
12:56
ogra... so lbus is essentially deprecated then?
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12:56
<ogra>
yep
12:57
<shogunx>
ack. and i can implement ldm via lts.conf to go that route?
12:57
<ogra>
shogunx, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
12:57
thats for sip phones and skype
12:58
our implementation will be a lot more trivial, but along these lines .... and give you full control over the volume and MIC input
12:59
<shogunx>
ogra... i'll test that out. nice.
12:59
<ogra>
shogunx, afaik sbalneav wanted to use xatoms instead of lbus, but thats something he can better talk about
13:00
<shogunx>
yeah, you mentioned that. interesting, integrating that deep into X11
13:00
<ogra>
anyway, gtg ...
13:00
<shogunx>
thanx.
13:00
<ogra>
ciao ...
13:01
<shogunx>
nice talking again.
13:03
<Envite>
Here again
13:04* jammcq thinks dbus is the future, instead of lbus or xatoms
13:06
<shogunx>
not sure i understand deprecating lbus. it worked pretty well.
13:07
<jammcq>
well, I like lbus, afterall, I wrote it :) but dbus is being used now by Gnome and KDE and it's really the standard for message passing
13:07
<Gadi>
unencrypted ssh mode?
13:07
it must have been a while since I picked my head up
13:08
<vagrantc>
Gadi: yes, essentially using ssh, but not doing any encryption.
13:08
<jammcq>
no, I think a vpn is something that we'll eventually need to move towards
13:08
<shogunx>
jammcq like ipsec style?
13:08
<vagrantc>
Gadi: so all the X forwarding and such works, but the overhead is trivial
13:08
<Gadi>
then, we just have to see if the poor video is due to the encryption or the proxy ;)
13:08
<jammcq>
yeah, or openvpn
13:09
<vagrantc>
setting up VPNs for local device access?
13:09
<Gadi>
ldm has nothing over xdmcp when it comes to video performance
13:09
<jammcq>
vpns for ALL traffic betwen thin client and server
13:09
<vagrantc>
Gadi: have you tried it without encryption?
13:09* Gadi just heard of ssh without encryption
13:09
<Gadi>
;)
13:10
<jammcq>
Gadi: it's not compiled in by default
13:10
<ogra>
Gadi, i'm not quite gone yet, dont blame ldm for ssh's failures
13:10
:P
13:10
<Gadi>
ogra: did not mean to imply that
13:10
<vagrantc>
why not blame LDM for a design decision to use ssh?
13:10
<ogra>
i know :)
13:10
<Gadi>
just dont want xdmcp dumped until the video is comparable
13:10
<ogra>
vagrantc, pfft ...
13:11
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's fair.
13:11* ogra is *really* gone now ... feel free to blame ldm for everything ;)
13:11
<dberkholz>
have y'all tried changing ssh's encryption algorithm?
13:11
might be some that are less intensive
13:11
<Gadi>
my only 2 beefs with EdgyLTSP so far are the long boot times (in my testing) and poor video performance (by comparison)
13:11
<jammcq>
dberkholz: been there, done that
13:11
<ogra>
dberkholz, we already use blowfish
13:11
<Gadi>
everything else is magically delicious!
13:12
<ogra>
there seems to be no fastrer one
13:12
<vagrantc>
i know why ssh-encrypted X sessions are good- i've been doing ldm-like things for years. but it has drawbacks, and people should own up to the drawbacks of using it.
13:12
<dberkholz>
don't some chips have hardware encryption modules?
13:12
<jammcq>
yeah, drawbacks like supporting 30 clients instead of 120
13:12
<ogra>
120 clients ? on what hardware with what desktop ?
13:13
<Gadi>
didn't he say he was gone?
13:13
;)
13:13
<jammcq>
i've got 140 clients on a single server running Icewm
13:13
using OOo, firefox and a bunch of other things
13:13
<ogra>
yeah, but if you guys bring up such controversial stuff, how can i ?
13:13
<shogunx>
and xdmcp is moving by the wayside for security issues?
13:13
<ogra>
jammcq, and you dont achieve that with ssh ?
13:14
i cant imagine that wouldnt work as well with ssh
13:14
<Gadi>
does anyone else actually have >1min boot times still?
13:14
<jammcq>
I haven't tried, but people who have, claim that about 30 is the upper limit
13:14
<ogra>
as long as you dont use a memory hogging desktop
13:14
<vagrantc>
Gadi: anyone, meaning... ?
13:14
<Gadi>
or am I just doing something ridiculously wrong?
13:14
I dunno - I feel like such a noob
13:14
<shogunx>
Gadi... about 20 second on both servr and client here.
13:14
<ogra>
jammcq, they should file bugs so i can investigate :)
13:14
<Gadi>
I dont know what to expect from LTSP5
13:14
lol
13:15
<ogra>
anyway, final call ... i'm gone now
13:15
<Gadi>
shogunx: running ldm?
13:15
<jammcq>
yeah, right :)
13:15
<vagrantc>
i just don't understand why boot time is so important. i understand people complain about it.... but really?
13:15
<Envite>
i hope ltsp5 allows us to specify icons for both gnome and kde when using local devices
13:15
<jammcq>
ogra: is still lurking, I can just feel it
13:15
<shogunx>
Gadi running gdm.
13:15
<ogra>
jammcq, :P
13:15
<jammcq>
see !!!!!
13:15
<Gadi>
vagrantc: because when I log out of ldm, it takes close to 30 seconds for the login screen to come back!
13:15
<vagrantc>
Gadi: ah, yeah. LDM is slow as molasses.
13:16
<Gadi>
thats important
13:16
<vagrantc>
that part is annoying.
13:16
<Gadi>
thats a deal breaker
13:16
<vagrantc>
Gadi: have you tried sdm? :)
13:16
<Gadi>
:)
13:16
<Envite>
I always use GDM
13:16
<Gadi>
have you made it prettier?
13:16
<jammcq>
the boot time sets the users expectations. a slow boot == slow running computer
13:16
<dberkholz>
i'm a fan of entrance
13:16
<jammcq>
a fast boot == fast computer
13:16
<Gadi>
shogunx: local gdm or XDMCP?
13:16
<jammcq>
and LTSP-4.2 boots lickity split fast
13:16
<vagrantc>
Gadi: no, but people who want it to look pretty can do so :P
13:17
<dberkholz>
jammcq: so what you should do is save a suspended image of each box on the server, and never boot from scratch
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: it's got hooks for that...
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<shogunx>
i like lbus too, jammcq, well written. looks like dbus would be capable of more tight integration into the desktop, but is it capable of the networking aspects? all the articles i see talk solely about IPC.
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Gadi, xdmcp... server has 1Gb/s link and terminlas have 100Mb/s
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<Gadi>
shogunx: thats cheating ;)
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<jammcq>
shogunx: yeah, its' got a network transport that needs to be enabled at compile time, and from the people i've talked to, it hasn't gotten alot of shake out yet. But, I think it's something we should at least be considering
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah, i guess users don't actually notice the speed of a computer while actually *using* it.
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: no joke, perception is 99% of the battle. if it boots fast, it IS fast
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<Gadi>
XDMCP lacks localdev support still, right?
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<shogunx>
Gadi why is that cheating?
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<Envite>
Gadi: ?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah, i realize this.
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: haven't you heard how os x initially shipped with no hardware-accelerated video, but because of lack of artifacts people thought it was fast?
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<Envite>
I use gdm with xdmcp and i have lda
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<jammcq>
heh
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: no...
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<Gadi>
shogunx: because ldm is half the slowness ;)
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<jammcq>
Envite: that's on ltsp-4.2 prolly, right?
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<Envite>
sure
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but it worked on 4.1 too
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: now you have =)
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<jammcq>
I think that localdevs still isn't working on ltsp-5 with xdmcp
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: now, are you saying LDM is slow because of the pretty GUI login, or because of the encrypted ssh, or both?
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<shogunx>
Gadi... i kludged it in via ltsp4.2.2's lbus daemons and additions to /lib/udev scripts that /etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules calls
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<jammcq>
although, sbalneav has deployed ltsp-5 with xdmcp, so maybe he's got it working, or at last "in the lab"
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: cause, the pretty GUI login is totally separate from the ssh connection- it all happens locally.
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: its slow on all counts
13:20
slow to load
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and video is slow through ssh+proxy
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noticeably slower than XDMCP
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<Envite>
is ltsp moving towards NX?
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<jammcq>
no, NX is not free
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<shogunx>
jammcq... i essentially forward ported lbus to handle localdev with ltsp5/edgy. it works.
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<Envite>
nx IS free
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<Gadi>
jammcq: I think he means philosohpically
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or not
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<jammcq>
hmm, it's NOT free
13:21
they have a 2-user license that you can get for free
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<Envite>
nonononono
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<jammcq>
and *some* of their technology is free
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<shogunx>
hmm... is that ssh connection getting -C passed to it? that might speed things up.
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<Envite>
nx is a protocol
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<vagrantc>
shogunx: just slows it down moe.
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more.
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<Gadi>
ldm is like NX without the happy packet dance
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<jammcq>
ssh is the protocol
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<Envite>
and the protocol in free
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<jammcq>
ns goes over NX
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err
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NX goes over ssh
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<Envite>
no
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nx is a protocol that happens over ssh
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<shogunx>
vagrantc, yeah, i guess if bandwidth is not the rate-limiter...
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<jammcq>
and yes, the NX specification is free and open, but who's got the time to implement a completely free version of it?
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<Envite>
taht is another protocol that happens over tcp
13:22
nx libraries are free too
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freenx is a free nx server
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<jammcq>
but there still is NO free complete solution
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<vagrantc>
shogunx: CPU is the limitation with the ssh connections
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<Envite>
actually, only the client is propietary
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<jammcq>
what good is NX without a client?
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<Envite>
but knx will soon be a free client
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<jammcq>
well, when that happens, we can talk
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<Envite>
(it IS, but is not production stable)
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<jammcq>
and *mabye* we are interested
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<Envite>
BUT we do not need a complete server nor a complete client for ltsp
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<vagrantc>
Envite: some people use NX with ltsp. but until a completely free (as in freedom) NX implementation is available, i doubt if it will become the default.
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<jammcq>
NX places a HUGE burdon on the server
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it runs an Xserver on the LTSP server for EACH user
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<shogunx>
jammcq dbus method looks pretty smooth.
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<jammcq>
and it does nothing to help us encrypt the NFS traffic
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<Envite>
jammcq: oh, I see
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<jammcq>
whereas, a vpn type solution would cover all traffic
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<Envite>
i talked thinking only in ssh encryption
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<jammcq>
i'm not saying we have to go to a vpn, I just think it's something interesting, that we should investigate
13:25
nx has some good points
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<shogunx>
yep... ipsec interfaces comes up right after the regular interface, and does not waste too many cycles.
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<jammcq>
and when there's a totally free, well written solution, then i'm interested
13:26
i'm actually a very happy NX user
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<Gadi>
jammcq: I thought you just NX'd socially
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<shogunx>
hehe
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<jammcq>
I usually NX by myself, late at night
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<Gadi>
I NXd back in college - but only because I needed the money
13:28
Imnot proud of it
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<shogunx>
thats what you get for hanging out near the bathrooms doing remote X sessions from the payphones... these things are bound to happen:)
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<shogunx>
is the current ssh based implementation something along the lines of ssh -X server then X -query localhost?
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<brich>
jammcq: richard here. May I ask you about ltsp5 for suse?
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<jammcq>
sure, ask away
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<brich>
My question is about some additional documentation (besides the wiki).
13:36
<jammcq>
yeah, would be nice to have some, wouldn't it :)
13:36
<brich>
Yes :)
13:36
Some time ago you wrote something, that there might be more information
13:37
after the november hackfest
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<jammcq>
yeah, that was when I thought I'd have to time to write it up. hasn't happened yet
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<brich>
So you have some more, or is the information in the wiki alll there is?
13:37
Okay, that's clear than.
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<jammcq>
most of the information is collected in the minds of some of the guys who hang out here in the channel
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<brich>
Alright, than the wiki is our starting point. If more info is needed I'll
13:38
ask this channel for advice :)
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<jammcq>
guys like Vagrantc, ogra, sbalneav they are working daily on this stuff. Others, such as Gadi, dberkholz and a few more also work with this stuff
13:39
to be successful at integrating LTSP-5 into a distro, I think it's a necessity to integrate the people into our dev team
13:39
get them in here, see who the players are, and start sponging off of them
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<dberkholz>
i know more theory than this specific implementation, which i'm still learning
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<brich>
jammcq: what do you mean with here? Is that the irc channel or an office near to you?
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<jammcq>
here == #ltsp on irc.freenode.net
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<brich>
jammcq: I go the msg ;)
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<shogunx>
jammcq what happens if you do not pass ${SIZE} from lbuscd to lbussd? will the mount fail?
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<zOOd>
hello
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I get a mounting /proc failed, device or ressource busy on the client.
14:00
where could it come from
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<bricode>
Wow, a lot happens when you leave for a couple of hours.
14:01
I didn't get to put in my vote for video and multimedia running client side.
14:01
I got the fat client stuff working last night.
14:02
Pretty sweet video and multimedia.
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Was able to do VoIP calls and play reasonable resolution video.
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Only thing broken is Flash...mostly because of no video acceleration.
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<zOOd>
btw, is there a way to log kern messages of the client ?
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<vagrantc>
shogunx: ldm essentially does: ssh -X x-window-manager (slightly more complicated, but that's basically it).
14:12
shogunx: it's essentially a gui frontend for "ssh -X"
14:13
i really ought to do some re-writing of sdm to make it easier to make pretty. :)
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<vagrantc>
zOOd: if you enable remote syslogging, usually syslog will feed kernel messages back to your server.
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Syslog
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<shogunx>
dberkholz entrance like from E17? that has xdmcp support?
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<cliebow_>
Hasts
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Hasta
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16:58* msinhore is away: até amanhã
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<vykarian>
nite
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<cliebow_>
irssi
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!sound
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<cliebow_>
!seen cliebow
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <cliebow> yeah..bbiaab
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<cliebow>
!seen cliebow_
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: cliebow_ was last seen in #ltsp 3 minutes and 0 seconds ago: <cliebow_> !seen cliebow
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<rjune>
hey
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<cliebow_>
hey
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<cliebow>
heh trying irssi
17:41
<cliebow_>
me too
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and xchat
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<rjune>
LOL
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<cliebow>
rjune: what is my password? must have typed it iin here 50 times
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<rjune>
CHOKE
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Like I remember
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brb, I have to clean the pop off my keyboard
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<cliebow>
heheh
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<cliebow_>
like over here
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<kitchen>
Hi everyone
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<kitchen>
Is there anyone here who would know why my scanner attached to a terminal will only scan in binary, when attached to a standalone linux box works fine in color??
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I've read the wiki and it is recognized in a terminal shell as the proper epson...
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When in xsane I try to change from binary to gray or color I get an error message: "Failed to set value of option mode: Invalid argument"
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Also with XINETD_SERVICES = "saned" added to default, the scanner will scan in binary but XMMS audio fails!
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<jammcq>
howdie
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