IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 March 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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06:15
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
06:17
<vvinet>
good morning mgariepy
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08:03
<nepalinux>
hello everybody
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08:04
<nepalinux>
I found this ltsp system to be very useful for schools where we can't afford much computer hardwares
08:04
<wakko222>
Does anyone know if wyse products do pxe boot? (Wyse 1125SE)
08:04
<nepalinux>
and I was trying to test how good it works.
08:05
So I installed ubuntu in virtualbox and then installed the ltsp server
08:06
But when I try to do "sudo ltsp-build-client" command I get an error saying something about chroot.
08:06
I used the local mirror with the command as
08:07
"sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///home/ltsp/ubuntu/ --security-mirror file:///home/ltsp/ubuntu/
08:07
Any idea why I did get that error? Btw, if I download the client from repos, it works perfectly.
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<nepalinux>
what is this error for?
08:29
W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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09:05
<jammcq>
hello friends
09:05* jammcq wonders if anybody remembers him
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09:12
<Naranek>
Hi! I asked this before, but got some mixed answers. Is it OK to run ltsp-update-image while I have people logged on. Will it crash their session, or just update seamlessly? I've been googling for a definite answer, but to no avail.
09:12
<jammcq>
yes, it should be fine. i've done it many times
09:12
the next time the user boots their client, they'll get the new image
09:13
<Naranek>
so the previous image is stored in memory?
09:14
<jammcq>
well... as I understand it, the previous image still has a process accessing it (nbd) so even tho the file has been removed from the directory, it still exists in the filesystem until the last process releases the inode
09:17
<abeehc>
ive' found and i guess it makes sense; clients won't (re)boot properly while the image is being built
09:21
<Naranek>
ok, thanks
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09:34
<m4xx>
i'm trying to incorporate freenx with my ltsp install as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236601 . When the get's to the login both monitors are mirrored. Any ideas on how I might make the second extend instead of mirror?
09:39
<abeehc>
xrandr?
09:40
<m4xx>
i see xrandr_reflect in the lts.conf man page
09:44
<abeehc>
you should be able to change it at runtime via xrandr
09:45
then you could work backward to populate your lts.conf
09:53
<m4xx>
manual xrandr works fine, i've got the following in my lts.conf http://paste2.org/p/1275906
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<abeehc>
that looks good; no idea/. maybe look at ldm logs
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<m4xx>
where might the ldm log be?
10:27
<abeehc>
it doesn't look like it'll have anything interesting anyway after all but possibly the X log
10:27
both are on the client
10:27
you'd want to unlock root ont he clients
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10:39
<alkisg>
m4xx: freenx actually causes *more* CPU load than remote (unencrypted) X
10:39
I'm guessing that the person in the forums didn't know about LDM_DIRECTX=True
10:40
So freenx is fine over WAN (ADSL etc) but not for LAN
10:40
<m4xx>
that's my plan
10:41
<alkisg>
Then you don't need to configure it like the person in the forums
10:41
You just run it from the gnome menu
10:41
<abeehc>
what's the thread link
10:41
<alkisg>
(06:34:38 PM) m4xx: i'm trying to incorporate freenx with my ltsp install as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236601 . When the get's to the login both monitors are mirrored. Any ideas on how I might make the second extend instead of mirror?
10:41
<abeehc>
ty
10:42
<m4xx>
i'm going to use some old hardware in remote offices to pxe boot some thinclients that will nx into our office
10:42
if i can get it to work properly that is ;\
10:43
<abeehc>
i'm very much interested in how it goes
10:43
<alkisg>
m4xx: so in those offices all hardware is old (so no proper ltsp server), and to connect to your office you have a slow connection that needs freenx?
10:43
<abeehc>
i trust the dual monitors isn't a show stopper? ;)
10:44
<m4xx>
i was told ltsp wouldn't perform well over wan
10:44
<alkisg>
Correct, that's what I'm asking, if it's a slow connection
10:44
If it is you indeed need something like freenx
10:44
<m4xx>
yes
10:45
only 2mb up
10:45
<alkisg>
And the pxe server specs?
10:45
That's local, not over wan, right?
10:45
<m4xx>
the local ltsp server is a beefy machine.
10:46
<abeehc>
i assume thats wan but are we talkin bits or bytes
10:46
<m4xx>
bits
10:46
<abeehc>
could be worse hehe
10:46
<alkisg>
m4xx: and client RAM?
10:46
<m4xx>
1gb
10:46
<alkisg>
Oooh and you call that old hardware?!!!
10:46
<m4xx>
no no no
10:46
that's the thinclient
10:47
currently there is one desktop in the office
10:47
i have a few thin clients i'm going to bring down there
10:47
i'm going to use the current desktop as a dhcp/pxe server
10:47
that's a p4 w/ 2 gigs
10:47
<alkisg>
So, the clients that you want to run freenx on, they have 1 Gb RAM?
10:47
<m4xx>
yes
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10:48
<m4xx>
is there a better way to achieve the outcome i'm looking for?
10:49
<alkisg>
How many clients over this 2 mbps line?
10:49
<m4xx>
maybe 6
10:49
no video or anything
10:49
<alkisg>
And, how big home dirs? Maybe you could use them as fat clients with a remote /home...
10:50
<m4xx>
they're thin clients, no disks
10:50
<alkisg>
It doesn't matter, you can still boot them as fat clients
10:50
In the ltsp sense, fat == all processing on the client, but still no local disk
10:50
!fatclients
10:50
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
10:51
<alkisg>
For 1-2 clients a 2 mbps connection is OK for freenx, but I don't think it can handle 5-6 connections
10:51
While a remote /home (e.g. with sshfs) doesn't need much bandwidth, unless the user has really large files
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(fat clients use sshfs by default)
10:54
<m4xx>
i do have a server in a dc that i can use for a file share
10:54
<alkisg>
You can temporarily boot a thin client with an ubuntu live usb stick to see how it performs
10:55
And mount /home/username with sshfs
10:55
m4xx: if you don't need central /home dirs, then it's even better, you can use that p4 for a local server
10:56
<m4xx>
well, i want to do a central home
10:56
<alkisg>
OK, sshfs then
10:56
<m4xx>
i have yet to implement one yet
10:56
how would you automate that though?
10:56
<alkisg>
That's the default fat setup
10:56
<m4xx>
would i have to set up keys for every user?
10:56
<alkisg>
So it's out of the box, nothing to automate
10:56
No, ldm uses ssh for authentication
10:56
And sshfs uses that ssh connection for sshfs
10:56
It's all automatic, nothing to setup
10:57
You just need to see if 2 mbps is enough for a remote /home dir
10:58
<m4xx>
i'll just use the server in the dc for that
10:58
<alkisg>
Keep all the programs in your local network, only have the /home remote
10:58
I.e. install any programs that you need in the fat chroot
10:59
<m4xx>
would it be bad practice to do something like a local networked home and rsync it every x minutes?
10:59
so if the user goes to another office
11:00
they will still have the same files
11:00
but again on a locally networked home
11:00
or maybe even rsync on logout
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<alkisg>
Try sshfs first, if it doesn't cover your needs then you can see about rsync'ing
11:01
There's a possibility that it's good enough for you, so you don't have to customize anything, only have an out-of-the-box fat client installation
11:01
<m4xx>
i just worry that if there is a broken route or dc server goes out the computer will be useless
11:02
<alkisg>
That's true for freenx as well
11:02
<m4xx>
yes
11:02
that's why i like the fat client idea
11:03
<bieb>
jammcq: How's it going??
11:03
<alkisg>
m4xx: Are the users usually working on the same PCs, same offices?
11:03
If so, you can have local /homes and only rsync them when they log on to other offices
11:05
<cliebow>
WHAt Ho!! someone said jammcq!
11:06
<m4xx>
some are
11:06
<bieb>
chuck! what's happening?
11:07
<m4xx>
but we have managers that travel to different offices
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<alkisg>
m4xx: maybe you can tell them to use freenx from inside the fat session
11:07
If the managers are fewer than the static users, that is
11:08
Or have them automatically connect to the central /home with sshfs
11:08
<bieb>
cliebow: Jim was in here earlier...
11:08
<alkisg>
Just to avoid the rsync hell, because it can be a pain
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11:11
<cliebow>
bieb:Oh thrashing about..Inundated with freaking macs..
11:11
How about you?
11:11
<bieb>
schools changing over to macs??
11:11
not too bad here .. enjoying the weather change
11:11
<cliebow>
oh we have been for like 8 years..but now i am apple certified i see all the wreckage
11:12
<bieb>
ohhh.. you're apple certified.. cool
11:12
<cliebow>
i cant tell you how many broken screens have been across my desk
11:13
75 at least since december
11:13
<bieb>
damnnn.. what are they doing to them?
11:13
<cliebow>
got no respect...
11:13
didnt have to make any effort to get one..
11:14
<bieb>
true
11:14
<cliebow>
ive found them out oin snowbanks..by the side of the road..
11:14
<bieb>
wow!
11:15
<cliebow>
sorry..i have a jaundiced opinion of the whole thing..we were going broke sending stuff down to the depot to be fixed..so tewo of us went for certification
11:16
<bieb>
can't blame ya.. they dont take care of what they dont pay for
11:16
how much was apple cert?
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<cliebow>
school paid for it..five days in Boston then two days in Bangor..i think about 4500
11:18
<bieb>
how was BTS?
11:19
<cliebow>
Lesseee..November..it rocked..but i didnt bring anything to the table..my ltsps have been backburnered for the mscs
11:19
macs
11:19
<bieb>
ahhh
11:20
good lobster dinner again?
11:22
<cliebow>
We went to Scotty's rest.. some had lobs some other entrees..mine rocked..
11:22
<bieb>
ummmmm... Scotty's rest???
11:22
<cliebow>
aurant
11:23
<bieb>
scotty who???
11:23
I knew the aurant part
11:23
lol
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<cliebow>
oh just a local guy..leasing a place on the Manset shore looking up Somes SOund
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11:25
<bieb>
ohh ok.. thought you were talking about Balnaeves
11:28
cliebow: was scott there too?
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11:30
<mateobur>
hello
11:31
the port for tftp (69) appears as closed in nmap
11:31
what can I do to open it ?
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11:37
<alkisg>
mateobur: distro/version?
11:38
<mateobur>
ubuntu 10.04
11:38
it's really strange
11:38
some terminals boot
11:39
others stuck in TFTP open timeout
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11:39
<mateobur>
it's totally random
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<alkisg>
This page helps in tftp troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
11:40
But if it sometimes works, then it doesn't sound like a usual problem...
11:40
Are you sure you only have 1 dhcp server in your network?
11:41
<mateobur>
alkisg, they catch the DHCP correctly
11:41
<cliebow>
bieb:OH YEAH..Scottywas there alrighty
11:42
<bieb>
LOL
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12:10
<jammcq>
bieb: hey
12:10
cliebow: howdie
12:10
<bieb>
jammcq: how's it going Jim?
12:11
<jammcq>
going well
12:11
been busy
12:11
<bieb>
thats a good thing right?
12:11
<jammcq>
yeah, it is
12:12
<bieb>
good
12:13
<jammcq>
how's things with you?
12:13
<bieb>
not too bad at all.. just busy also..
12:14
missed BTS this year
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12:21
<cliebow>
Nice to see you Jim..Not the same witohut you standing guard
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12:21
<jammcq>
cliebow: hey, well. things get busy
12:22
<cliebow>
i understand..busy here woth mundane stuff
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12:22
<bieb>
just dont put him in charge of guarding the lobster tank.. :)
12:22
<cliebow>
nothing with any chutzpah
12:22
hahah..no lobster races this year..
12:22
<bieb>
lol
12:22
<cliebow>
eating them i mean
12:23
<bieb>
and chuck you probably didnt even bring your vice this year
12:32
<cliebow>
hweeeee!!it was a big c clamp..i figured on squezzing that claw til it broke..but as it happens hitting it was far more efficient
12:32
<bieb>
lol
12:32
<cliebow>
id get just dso much pressure on it and it would go flying off
12:32
<bieb>
yeah that would not have been good.. too messy
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13:44
<vagrantc>
i guess good thing i didn't roll out ltsp 5.2.5 to debian yesterday :)
13:44
we should drop the need to use ip addresses at all in ltsp-update-sshkeys, and just configure LDM to ignore the IP address.
13:44
unless, of course, it's only ip address and not hostname...
13:45
which i guess is the default.
13:54
<komunista>
!factoids search #ltsp svn*
13:54
<ltspbot`>
komunista: No keys matched that query.
13:54
<komunista>
!factoids search #ltsp *svn*
13:54
<ltspbot`>
komunista: No keys matched that query.
13:57
<komunista>
vagrantc: I cannot to find address for svn to check my translations status, can you help me, please?
14:00
<vagrantc>
komunista: not svn, but bzr: http://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
14:00
<komunista>
thank :-)
14:03
vagrantc: the ltsp.pot and ldm.pot seems to be some months old, are they updated?
14:04
<vagrantc>
the strings haven't changed very often, but they might be out of date.
14:04
komunista: what language?
14:04
<komunista>
slovak
14:04
sk
14:05
<vagrantc>
already have some translations for that
14:05
ldm recently was updated which might have affected the translations
14:07
<komunista>
is there way to get updated POT without downloading all sources?
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14:15
<vagrantc>
komunista: i'll try to make sure they're updated tonight so you can download
14:15
<komunista>
vagrantc: OK, I will check it tomorrow, thanks :-)
14:17
<vagrantc>
at initial glance, they both look current, though
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<komunista>
it is a lot of time when I publish them, then I can check status
14:26
if strings are not changed - then developers are very "friedly" for translators (and then for users too) :-)
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14:27Nick change: evil_root -> zz_evil_root
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<vagrantc>
komunista: or we're not properly making new strings translateable :(
14:29
<komunista>
;-)
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