IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 2 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<johnny>
Quiliro, if you look through the plugins for ltsp-build-client in ltsp-trunk
00:01
you will see ubuntu's, then you can modify the references to match
00:01
and perhaps even get that included in ltsp
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<Quiliro>
i'll try that...thks guys
00:12
but do I have to go to trunk? i have the scripts in the installed package
00:14
<Ryan52>
that should be fine. though new versions of the package will just overwrite your changes...
00:14
so you should tell dpkg to "hold" it.
00:15
so, like this: echo ltsp-package-name-here hold | dpkg --set-selections
00:15
though I don't really know the name of the ltsp packages off the top of my head. but you need to run that for each one.
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<Quiliro>
it is to try before sending changes
00:18
thks ryan52
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<Quiliro>
how do i quickly know what is specific for each distro?
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for example.....change hoary for gusty
00:20
sorry
00:20
i meant hoary for deltah
00:20
change http://ec.archives.ubuntu.com with http://ec.archives.gnewsense.org
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etc
00:23
<johnny>
just create a copy of ubuntu's plugin files
00:23
called gnewsense
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and then examine each one..
00:24
many are short
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so it's not gonna take that long
00:24
if it is an exact match for ubuntu
00:24
you could just hard link it
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instead of copying it
00:27
<Quiliro>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
00:27
is this it?
00:27
<Ryan52>
yup
00:30
<Quiliro>
cant find ltsp-build-client
00:31
<johnny>
it's in there
00:31
under server/
00:33
<Quiliro>
think i found it
00:33
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/876?file_id=ltspbuildclient-20060901054639-5b3bfa5f52ef8569
00:34
<johnny>
yes
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<Quiliro>
great......i will go back whe i get it locally working
00:50
thks johnny
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07:24
<Hyperbyte>
Hello...
07:24* Hyperbyte agrees with the topic
07:24
<Hyperbyte>
Fedora 9 user here... LTSP is very nicely integrated... I'm wondering if someone can point me in the right direction of getting sound working though.
07:25
I haven't managed that yet... tried some howto's (even though they seem outdated mostly).. alas, no luck.
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07:35
<tuukka>
hello.. is it normal to that clients crash on openGL?
07:38
seems to be..
07:45
<Hyperbyte>
tuukka, you haven't gotten sound working with ltsp have you? =)
07:51
<tuukka>
Sound works just fine it depends
07:51
dam I haven't IRCed while
07:51
Hyperbyte: it depences about your soundcard
07:51
Hyperbyte: and are you using pulseaudio
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07:52
<tuukka>
Hyperbyte: example VIA/some Intel soundcards doesn't have Master (in alsa) that pulseaudio seeks..
07:53
Hyperbyte: so sound works but it's mute and there is nothing you can do about it.. also you have to check from pulseaudio control if your Mixer is ok
07:54
Hyperbyte: So I have sound now a days :D
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<tuukka>
dam.. I'm talking with myself.. so it means go home..
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08:22
<cliebow>
mistik1:could you translate this?,..java.lang.NullPointerException
08:23
<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "ava.lang.NullPointerException" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/12
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<Q-FUNK>
!g
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<ltspbot`>
Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:43
<Gadi>
hey, there!
08:43
<Q-FUNK>
:)
08:45
<cliebow>
Gadi:Hey There!!
08:45
<Gadi>
g'morning
08:45
<cliebow>
;-]
08:45
<Gadi>
sorry - I'm gonna be afk a lot today - coming back from the holidays and the world kept going on without me :)
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<jammcq>
G'morning friends
09:38
<Hyperbyte>
Hi.
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09:46
<fgiraldeau>
jammcq: hope that you're fine
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09:54
<sbalneav>
Morning all!
09:54
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: hi there
09:54
<sbalneav>
Hey Francis!
09:54
<fgiraldeau>
long time
09:54
<sbalneav>
Oooooh, Beer and lobster time's coming soon, mes ami!
09:55
<fgiraldeau>
Will be there
09:55
<sbalneav>
I know!
09:55
Looking forward to seeing my favorite (now 2 favorite, I guess) residents from La Belle Provence!
09:56
You guys had any frost yet in Montreal?
09:56
<fgiraldeau>
It's only about 2000km appart
09:56
not yet
09:56
<sbalneav>
We had a killing frost this morning. My flowers are looking wilted.
09:57
<fgiraldeau>
but leafs are almost all changed color
09:57
doh
09:57
that's life after all
09:57
<sbalneav>
Life in Canada :)
09:57
<fgiraldeau>
don't know which kind of gov. we will get ;)
09:58
hehe
09:58
anyway
09:58
that's a pleasure
09:58
do you need help for ldm?
09:58
i'm a bit disconnected since a while
09:59
<sbalneav>
Well, there's some bugs I'd like to fix, what I'd really like to focus on, for myself anyway, this hackfest, is spit and polish
09:59
<fgiraldeau>
I saw local apps working with clean sshfs
09:59
that's pretty good
09:59
<sbalneav>
there's some nagging bugs, I'd like to try to close a few of them.
09:59
<fgiraldeau>
ok
09:59
<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: hey, looking forward to seeing you in Maine
09:59
<fgiraldeau>
there a few usability issues to work on
09:59
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:00
<fgiraldeau>
yeah, I will be there, I realy appreciated it last year.
10:00
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq, you big star
10:00
<fgiraldeau>
And with graber, we are working hard to make clustering stuff mainstream
10:01
everything has been moved on launchpad and bzr, so, it should streamline the cooperation
10:02
<sbalneav>
Tres Bien!
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<dmorar>
Hi
10:02
<sbalneav>
(With you around, I can brush up on my French!)
10:02
Hello
10:02
<dmorar>
im getting really poor performance on 5.0, would you help me to determine whats causing it?
10:02
im running hardy
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kubuntu
10:03
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: great! I do the same with my english
10:04
<sbalneav>
Define "Poor performance": Slow apps, slow drawing, etc. It would help if you told us 1) What kind of clients (memory, cpu, etc), 2) What kind of server (cpu memory), 3) how many clients 4) What programs you're wanting to run.
10:05
<dmorar>
sbalneav: i have slow apps... i have mostly celeron 1Ghz with 512 RAM clients, and a core 2 duo with 4 Gb RAM running kubuntu 8.04, there are 15 clients
10:06
i want to run normal apps, openoffice and mozilla firefox... some users will use rdesktop to connect to a windows machine
10:07
<sbalneav>
dmorar: first thing I'd be checking is ram on the server
10:07
<cyberorg>
dmorar, add LDM_DIRECTX=True to lts.conf
10:07
<dmorar>
i had a Slackware LTSP 4.2 setup, and it worked like a charm, this new deployment is pretty slow, so i think something must be wrong
10:07
sbalneav: i can run the apps on the server on full load
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and i always have 500 RAM free
10:08
LDM_DIRECTX=Y its ok
10:09
<ogra-maemo>
does your server have an ati or nvidia card ?
10:09
<sbalneav>
What does the output of the "free" command say?
10:09
<dmorar>
ogra-maemo: no
10:10
sbalneav: what field?
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<sbalneav>
Just paste the whole output to the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:12
<ltsppbot>
"mighty-d" pasted "FREE" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/13
10:14
<dmorar>
sbalneav: i have to restart X, be back in ten seconds, please excuse me for this...
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<dmorar>
Hi, im back
10:16
<sbalneav>
ok, you're not running out of memory, so that's good
10:16
when you say "slow apps", how are they slow? Slow to launch or "laggy" on the screen?
10:18
<dmorar>
sbalneav: everything is slow, i can type faster than i see the words on the screen
10:18
<sbalneav>
Where do you have the lts.conf file?
10:19
<dmorar>
on the tftpboot
10:19
<sbalneav>
It should be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
10:19
<dmorar>
yeah, there it is
10:19
<sbalneav>
what's its permissions?
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<dmorar>
sbalneav: i think lts.conf is working
10:20
world readable, only write access for root
10:21
<sbalneav>
ok, easy way to find out, on a thin client, what's the value of environment variable DISPLAY in a terminal?
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<dmorar>
sbalneav: i cant see a DISPLAY variable in the terminal of the clients
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even if im logged in through ld
10:24
m
10:24
ldm
10:25
<sbalneav>
So, if you log into a terminal, open up a kterm, and type echo $DISPLAY, you get nothing?
10:25
<dmorar>
ahh ok, wait
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<dmorar>
sbalneav: ok, i get DISPLAY=MYIP:6.0
10:28
<sbalneav>
ok, so ldm_directx is working
10:28
So you launch, say, openoffice, and you type, and nothing appears on the screen for a bit?
10:28
<dmorar>
sbalneav: it appears but too slow,
10:29
the system itself feels slow, even to launch a popup menu on the deskto
10:30
<sbalneav>
Well, then I'd look at a couple of things
10:30
<frin>
what smaller distributions do support ltsp 5?
10:30
<sbalneav>
1) Bad network card in the server, dropping packets
10:31
<frin>
afaik arch linux doesn't support local apps
10:31
and/or sound
10:31
<sbalneav>
2) switch dropping packets
10:31
3) some tuning necessary.
10:32
I had some problems with network buffers, I increased some buffer space on my servers, and it solved it.
10:32
<dmorar>
sbalneav: how do i do that?
10:33
<sbalneav>
I added the following to my /etc/sysctl.conf:
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net.core.wmem_default = 524288
10:33
net.core.wmem_max = 524288
10:33
net.core.rmem_default = 524288
10:33
net.core.rmem_max = 524288
10:33
then did a sysctl -p
10:33
Now, that's going to set some network buffers to 512k
10:34
<ogra-maemo>
sbalneav, is that hardy ?
10:34
<sbalneav>
ogra-maemo: yup
10:34
<ogra-maemo>
i wonder if it helps other people seeing issues
10:34
<sbalneav>
Might, this might be an interesting test.
10:34
Now, that was with 40 people on a box
10:34
<ogra-maemo>
the current discussion on ltsp-discuss isnt really fun
10:34
<sbalneav>
You might not want to go for 524288
10:35
ogra-maemo: Well, it's the same old problem.
10:35
<ogra-maemo>
no, poeple complain about hardy specifically
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<sbalneav>
right, but who from the user community helped us with any testing when hardy was in beta? :)
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<dmorar>
sbalneav: ok, i run sysctl -p, does the changes has been applied or i need to restart something else?
10:36
<ogra-maemo>
not many, but i always feel bad bedcause i also cant invest as much time as before
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10:37
<ogra-maemo>
so i usually search for the failure on my desk first
10:37
<sbalneav>
dmorar: do a sysctl -a
10:37
<nubae>
maybe the topic should be updated on #edubuntu
10:38
<sbalneav>
if you see the net.core values, then they should be good.
10:38
<dmorar>
ok, im going to run the test
10:39
<sbalneav>
brb, workping
10:40
back
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10:42
<dmorar>
sbalneav: its still slow
10:43
<sbalneav>
Well, lets quantify how slow
10:43
What are we talking about for the delay?
10:43
2 seconds?
10:44
<dmorar>
hmmm give me a second
10:45
sbalneav: almost 20 seconds
10:45
to run calc
10:45
i can run calc on the server in 8 seconds
10:47
<sbalneav>
Ok, that's fairly sizeable.
10:47
So, something's wrong here, definitely.
10:47
can you paste the entire contents of your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
10:48
<dmorar>
sbalneav: ok,give me a second
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<ltsppbot>
"MIGHTY" pasted "LTS" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/14
10:51
<sbalneav>
Seems reasonable.
10:51
By way of comparison, OpenOffice.org Calc launches in 3 seconds here, and I get no lag in typing.
10:52
<dmorar>
sbalneav: :(
10:52
<sbalneav>
What kind of video card are in the clients?
10:52
<dmorar>
i810
10:53
<sbalneav>
And 512 megs per client, you said?
10:53
<dmorar>
yes, there are some with 256
10:54
<sbalneav>
Should still be reasonable.
10:55
Maybe try setting the XSERVER variable explicitly.
10:56
can't remember if it's XSERVER=i810 or XSERVER=intel
10:56
hold on... lemme check
10:57
yeah, try XSERVER=intel in the lts.conf file, see if that helps. Also, what kind of network switch do you have?
10:58
<dmorar>
sbalneav: actually i have intel_agp modules loaded
10:59
sbalneav: i have a catalyst from cisco, but i dont think its the switch because as i said, it worked perfectly on 4.2
11:00
<sbalneav>
Well, 4.2 used a really old X server, and used NFS for the root. There's a much newer X now, and we use root over NBD, so a lot's changed.
11:01
<dmorar>
sbalneav: i know, but i would discard switch because it doesnt matter if its X or SSH to ir
11:01
to it
11:02
<sbalneav>
I don't discard anything when I'm trying to troubleshoot :)
11:02
<dmorar>
sbalneav: you are right
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<sbalneav>
So, is it any different with XSERVER=intel?
11:03
<dmorar>
do you want me to run any test on the switch
11:03
sbalneav: no :(
11:03
sbalneav: im starting to think you might be right and the problem could be more network related
11:03
<ogra-maemo>
the NIC drivers are also massively different between 4.x and 5
11:04
<sbalneav>
right
11:04
what kind of nic's are in these boxes?
11:05
<dmorar>
e100
11:05
<sbalneav>
that should be an ok nic
11:05
<ogra-maemo>
yeah
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<sbalneav>
Wonder if there's some kind of bandwidth throttling going on in the switch.
11:06
Got a "dumb" switch you could throw in to eliminate?
11:07
Or better still, got a crossover cable you could plug one of the terminals directly into the server
11:07
<dmorar>
sbalneav: ok, give me a second i have this non-administrable switch i can plug
11:07
<sbalneav>
That would eliminate a whole raft of possiblities
11:07
try the crossover cable first, if you got one.
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<dmorar>
sbalneav: i cant use cross over cable because of phisical space limitations
11:08* ogra-maemo remembers issues with dhcp on cisco switches
11:09
<sbalneav>
ok, well, unmanaged switch is the next best thing
11:11
<dmorar>
ok, its the same :(
11:12
<sbalneav>
ok, interesting.
11:13
Can we get the output of ifconfig -a?
11:13
<dmorar>
on the server?
11:14
<sbalneav>
Yeah
11:14
I want to see if it thinks we're dropping packats.
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<ltsppbot>
"MIGHTY" pasted "ifconfig" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/15
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<sbalneav>
Which is the one with the terminals hanging off of it>
11:15
?
11:15
<dmorar>
2.1
11:15
192.168.2.1
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eth0
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<sbalneav>
ok, lets see how it thinks it's connected, mii-tool eth0
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it's only one line, so just past it here
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<dmorar>
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
11:19
the unmanaged switch is 100
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm
11:19
"flow-control"
11:20
root@lemans:~# mii-tool eth0
11:20
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
11:20
Lemme check something....
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, should be ok
11:21
So, doesn't seem to be a network problem
11:21
Doesn't seem to be a hardware problem
11:21
Out of curiosity, what happens if you log in via Gnome?
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<dmorar>
sbalneav: i dont have gnome
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<dmorar>
via kdm?
11:22
using SCREEN06=startx ?
11:23
<sbalneav>
Ah, ok
11:23
No, via ldm, I was wondering.
11:23
<edubuntufan>
Hi, do we have some active users on now?
11:23
<sbalneav>
yup
11:23
<dmorar>
i dont understand what you are asking me to do
11:24
<sbalneav>
dmorar: It's ok, you don't have gnome, so no problem
11:24
What's the load average on this box? I'm assuming low?
11:25
<dmorar>
sbalneav: what do you mean by load average?
11:25
<sbalneav>
uptime
11:25
11:24:00 up 2:31, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:25
root@lemans:~#
11:25
Loadaverage in this box right at the moment's 0 :)
11:25
<dmorar>
11:29:39 up 1 day, 14:46, 13 users, load average: 0.16, 0.56, 0.65
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, you're coasting.
11:27
Here's one of my boxes:
11:27
root@sputnik:~# uptime 11:25:56 up 29 days, 14:10, 44 users, load average: 0.99, 1.01, 0.97
11:28
<dmorar>
sbalneav: which os are you running on this box?
11:28
<sbalneav>
Hardy
11:28
<dmorar>
and which clients hardware?
11:28
<sbalneav>
Gnome desktop, Firefox + thunderbird + OO.o
11:29
desktop hardware's a Via Eden 1ghz processor with a gig of ram. It's the new little E10000 board, I think.
11:29
so, it's not excessively powerful hardware. Via display chip.
11:30
ogra-maemo: does ubuntu still cut ppc cd images?
11:31
<dmorar>
im really sad, i dont know what to do, everything should be working fine...
11:31
:(
11:31
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I'm not sure what's holding you up.
11:31
hmm
11:32
what's the contents of your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file.
11:32
<cliebow>
sbalneav: i believe they do...in community...
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<ltsppbot>
"mighty" pasted "dhcp" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/16
11:35
<sbalneav>
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
11:35
"option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.5;
11:35
Does the ltsp server actually port forward from eth0 to eth1?
11:36
I wonder if the client's trying to do some dns lookup.
11:36
<dmorar>
sbalneav: i havent seen this
11:36
let me fix it
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<sbalneav>
On eth0, all you have is the thin clients?
11:36* dmorar hopes this fix it
11:36
<dmorar>
sbalneav: yeah
11:36
its a dedicated switch and card for thin clients
11:36
<sbalneav>
theoretically, they shouldn't NEED dns, since they only talk to the server,
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11:37
<sbalneav>
why not remove all the dns stuff for them.
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<sbalneav>
Usually, a dns timeout's like, 15 seconds
11:37
15 + 8 = ~20
11:37
<cliebow>
?
11:38
<sbalneav>
Well, he said it was around 20 seconds to launch calc on the thin client
11:38
<dmorar>
it could be
11:38
<sbalneav>
it was less than 8 on the server
11:38
<dmorar>
ok
11:38
lets see how it runs
11:38
<sbalneav>
so he's got just about the right amount of excess time there that might be explained by something with dns :)
11:41
<dmorar>
sbalneav: should i set access to a dns server ?
11:41
or is this unnecessary
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<sbalneav>
dmorar: Should be unnecessary on a thin client.
11:42
don't forget to restart dhcp3-server
11:44
<dmorar>
sure
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11:54* sbalneav waits anxiously to see if dmorar's problem is fixed
11:54
<dmorar>
sbalneav: nothing yet,
11:54
im starting to consider a reinstall
11:55
<ogra-maemo>
what do you expect that to solve ?
11:55
<dmorar>
ogra-maemo: i dont know
11:55
<sbalneav>
Yeah, you don't want to go through the trouble of a reinstall, just to find the same thing.
11:56
SOMETHING's causing the slowdown :)
11:56
So, you redid the dhcp, and still slow, or you're still working on it ?
11:56
<dmorar>
sbalneav: i was thinking on deploying hardy 64 bits to solve the 3.5 GB ram issue
11:56
sbalneav: its still slow
11:57
sbalneav: however i found that its getting slower and slower and slower, it takes for ever to load initrd on boot
11:57
<sbalneav>
I don't use 64 bits, and I have 8 gigs in my servers
11:57
install the linux-image-server package
11:58
so initrd takes a long time?
11:58
then that HAS to be a network problem somewhere
11:58
because you're still in the pxe bios just doing a tftp at that point.
11:58
<dmorar>
sbalneav, ok, im going to see what i can do to the network, maybe its something i havent seen
11:59
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I'd look there. If the pxe boots taking a long time it's either:
11:59
1) the network, or
11:59
2) the network card in the server.
11:59
so it's something low level.
11:59
Maybe try a different network card in the server.
12:00
okiedoke, I'm gonna head off for lunch.
12:00
be back in an hour.
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12:03
<Hyperbyte>
I'm looking for more information on getting sound to work with LTSP under Fedora 9
12:03
<ogra-maemo>
Hyperbyte, wait for warren to be around
12:03
<Hyperbyte>
Tried a few howto's, but I haven't managed to get it to like me yet...
12:04
<warren>
Hyperbyte: it should just work automatically
12:04
Hyperbyte: what application?
12:04
Hyperbyte: I have run into a few rare client chipsets where sound doesn't work for reasons I don't know.
12:04
<Hyperbyte>
warren: well, anything basically... all applications (including Gnome's hardware->sound settings) report ... um... damn, I should've written this down (left work a few hours ago)
12:05
Unable to open stream?
12:05
I haven't found any details errors yet (but that's probably because I'm not sure where to look)
12:06
<dmorar>
thanks sbalneav for all your time
12:06* dmorar is going to lunch
12:06
<Hyperbyte>
Anyway, I got the impression it required some additional configuration... but it should work with sound out of the box?
12:07
Including under Fedora 9 (with a default of PulseAudio I believe)?
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<ogra-maemo>
client sided we all use the same setup, so its likely to be a driver issue
12:08
client sided we all use the same setup, so its likely to be a driver issue9
12:08
err
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<ogra-maemo>
(it works flawless in ubuntu and debian)
12:08
<Hyperbyte>
Well, the server does play audio fine...
12:08* ogra-maemo pokes his folable kbd
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12:09
<Hyperbyte>
And it has the same hardware as the client (for now anyways)
12:09
<ogra-maemo>
check your env in a gnome terminal if you are logged in on a thin client
12:09
it should have PULSE_SERVER set
12:09
<Hyperbyte>
*writes down*
12:09
Anything else I can check when I'm at work tomorrow? :)
12:09
<ogra-maemo>
and that should point to the client ip
12:10
<Hyperbyte>
Or where I should start debugging?
12:10
<ogra-maemo>
no idea, i'm no fedora user, but that variable definately needs to be set in a session to make it work
12:11
<Hyperbyte>
Okay...
12:11
Does this work both ways btw?
12:11
<warren>
Hyperbyte: it should work automatically if the client sound driver is working
12:11
<Hyperbyte>
I mean, is the microphone from the client picked up by the server?
12:11
<warren>
Hyperbyte: microphone i'm not sure
12:11
<ogra-maemo>
no
12:12
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, that's a pity.
12:12
<ogra-maemo>
we dont have and capture setup in the config
12:12
*any
12:12
<warren>
Hyperbyte: the ONLY cases where I've seen sound fail with default configs is where the hardware itself is to blame
12:12
<Hyperbyte>
So for softphones I have only one solution and that is to include it on the thin client?
12:13
<warren>
Hyperbyte: I'm told by pulseaudio's author that it should be possible to get microphone working. Just nobody researched how to do it yet.
12:13
<johnny>
gentlemen
12:13
warren, you feeling better yet?
12:13
<Hyperbyte>
warren: pity. :) Would be nice if I could centralize softphones as well.
12:14
<warren>
johnny: I was, but then I pushed myself WAY too hard with high blood pressure and anxiety attacks for 3 days straight and I got worse.
12:14
<johnny>
warren, sounds like you need a hug
12:14
<warren>
johnny: I should have scheduled my big presentation for next week instead of yesterday.
12:14
<johnny>
*HUGS*
12:14
<warren>
awww
12:14
<Hyperbyte>
<3
12:14
<ogra-maemo>
Hyperbyte, you really want to do that through localapps
12:14
<warren>
Hyperbyte: you are not listening
12:15
<ogra-maemo>
the network lag will kill it
12:15
<warren>
Hyperbyte: it is theoretically possible with our existing software, it is likely only a config problem.
12:15* johnny comes to BOS to sit next to warren to tell him to chill out
12:15
<warren>
Hyperbyte: someone needs to research it
12:15
<ogra-maemo>
still, you dont want softphones over the net
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
warren: well, I suppose if you're going to nitpick you could argue anything is possible technically. :)
12:15
<warren>
yeah... that's likely true
12:15
<ogra-maemo>
it will get choppy, eats way to much bandwith
12:15
<johnny>
mmmmm
12:15
bandwidth
12:15
<warren>
you're better off with a soft phone as a local app
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
warren: I'm afraid it's over my head though, so that's why I mean it's not possible for -me- right now. ;)
12:15
<ogra-maemo>
yeah
12:16
<Hyperbyte>
But local app it is then!
12:17
Any recommendations about a softphone that works good with LTSP?
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<ogra-maemo>
warren, btw, didnt you have a devicemapper way of using union filesystems ?
12:17
<Lns>
damn Nick Kendall
12:18
<warren>
ogra-maemo: we don't have any union filesystems
12:18
<ogra-maemo>
without requiring a driver
12:18
no, but you said when you started implementing ltsp that you could achieve the same through device mapper
12:18
<warren>
oh
12:19
<ogra-maemo>
i have no idea how that would work, but that could be the way for tweh localapps stuff for you then
12:19* ogra-maemo has never used dm and its not really loved in ubuntu
12:19
<warren>
ogra-maemo: our livecd uses this: ext3 (for full xattrs) within a compressed squashfs image. dm-snapshot makes the ext3 read-write with block-level changes going either in ramdisk or an optional overlay file.
12:20
<ogra-maemo>
right, so you could replace the ext3 with a tmpfs
12:20
<warren>
no
12:20
<ogra-maemo>
ansd the squashfs with the mounted sshfs
12:20
<warren>
no
12:20
<ogra-maemo>
why ?
12:20
<warren>
dm-snapshot works at the BLOCK level
12:20
<ogra-maemo>
ah
12:21
<warren>
We have no filesystem level union
12:21
<ogra-maemo>
thats a shame
12:21
i guess fedora is the only one not adding that
12:21
<johnny>
yay!
12:21
<warren>
because it isn't suitable for upstream
12:21
<johnny>
people are using my jabber server
12:22
<ogra-maemo>
warren, excuses
12:23
keeping technology away from your users because linus doesnt like it ...
12:24
<Quiliro>
hey johnny
12:25
<johnny>
ogra, don't you mean cuz al viro does't like it? :)
12:25
<Quiliro>
created subdirectory gNewSense and modified files from Ubuntu directory
12:25
Its ready
12:26
<johnny>
Quiliro, so does it work?
12:26
:)
12:26
<Quiliro>
downloading finnaly packages
12:26
had a public key problem
12:27
dont know how to do that so I used ec.archive.gnusense.org instead of archive.gnusense.org
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<Quiliro>
i hope that solves my public key problem :-)
12:28
its about to finish downloading
12:28
I: Validating tcpd
12:28
I: Retrieving tzdata
12:29
tell you in a inute johnny
12:29
*minute
12:29
<stgraber>
sbalneav: btw, I just had to set two variables and I now have LDM autologin working with ltsp-cluster. That was way too easy, I initially planned to spend the whole day on that feature :)
12:29
<Quiliro>
ltsp-cluster!!! can that be done?
12:29
<johnny>
Quiliro, it's in progress
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12:30
<Quiliro>
so i can have one machine run openoffice for all the other machines and another running gimp for all the other machines and so forth?
12:30
<johnny>
i don't think that is what it would be like
12:31
<Quiliro>
then what's it for?
12:31
<johnny>
i could be wrong tho
12:31
to make sure one machine being down doesn't kill your ltsp install
12:31
<Quiliro>
balancing servers?
12:31
oh
12:31
<johnny>
that is at least one feature of it
12:31
<Quiliro>
cool
12:31
<johnny>
if you search ltsp-cluster you can find more info
12:31
<Quiliro>
redundancy
12:31
<johnny>
i personally don't know anything
12:31
about anything :)
12:32
<stgraber>
we have load balancing of application servers
12:32
https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
12:32
<johnny>
i'll let mr smarty pants answer the questions
12:32
<stgraber>
and https://launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster for the Launchpad projects
12:32
<Quiliro>
can a server be also a workstation?
12:32
<johnny>
mine is..
12:32
but it wouldn't work well in a cluster
12:33
<stgraber>
yes, in our setup we usually use standard rack servers so having a workstation in the datacenter would be ... weird :)
12:34
johnny: btw, will you be at LTSP BTS ?
12:35
<johnny>
stgraber, i'd love to.. if i can afford it
12:35
<stgraber>
ok, you could have a live demo of ltsp-cluster then :)
12:35
<johnny>
stgraber, i currently deploy as public internet terminals on ubuntu
12:36
stgraber, i also have created the gentoo support for ltsp..
12:36* ogra imagines stgraber will come with a 19" cabinet hooked to his car :)
12:36
<johnny>
since i run gentoo myself
12:36
<ogra>
and a trunk full of clients
12:36
<johnny>
ogra, that's you.. with a backpack full of classmates :)
12:36
<stgraber>
ogra: hehe, no :) Our test server is a standard tower running OpenVZ with all the services as VMs
12:37
we can run 4-5 clients with that without much trouble
12:37
<ogra>
johnny, not doing classmates anymore, my current focus is samsung Q1 :) http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/
12:37
<stgraber>
ogra: I'll also likely have a MSI Wind or similar as thin client so no need to bring some of ours :)
12:37
<johnny>
ogra has all the fun
12:37
<ogra>
all the fame as well :)
12:38
<johnny>
you're certainly famous in my book
12:38
not sure about anybody else's :)
12:38
<ogra>
heh
12:38
well, the guy who did the review praises me a lot in the review
12:39
<johnny>
did you move your blog ?
12:39
<ogra>
which totally wasnt intentional ... especially since i only changed the themeing and setup of ubuntu desktop a bit :)
12:39
<johnny>
iirc you had your own domain previously
12:40
<ogra>
i still have the domain, but when the server broke with a HW failure i didnt find the time to rebuild it (it lastet 4 years without me touching it)
12:40
so in the end i decided to set up a wordpress account
12:41
i didnt use the server for more than blogging anyway anymore
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<Lns>
ogra: I wouldn't mind one of those Q1s for testing on my end ;)
12:47
<ogra-maemo>
heh
12:47* ogra-maemo is currently getting mobile devices from all sides
12:47
<Lns>
pretty cool video. Good luck with dev on that!
12:48
<ogra-maemo>
well, the image was only created to attract people
12:48* Lns has a 701 eee that he totes around w/Ubuntu 8.04
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<ogra-maemo>
so we get more devs and some community
12:48
<Lns>
visuals are always helpful
12:48
<ogra-maemo>
it runs fine on eeepcs
12:49
i have a lot of eee users in the community that use my image
12:49
<Lns>
cool, i'll have to try it on a usb drive =)
12:49
<ogra>
yeah
12:50
<johnny>
so.. seahorse == teh awesome
12:50
what a nice little utility
12:50
<Lns>
johnny: it really is nice - good luck educating normal users on how to use it effectively though ;)
12:51
ogra: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ubuntu-mid.img is the image?
12:51
<johnny>
Lns, the neat part is the avahi sharing too :)
12:51
Lns, would you rather tell people to run ssh-keygen and ssh-copy-ids ?
12:51
or click 3 buttons? :)
12:51
<ogra>
Lns, yeah, note the browser is currently broken
12:51* ogra compiles it atm
12:52
<Lns>
no worries, just wanted to play with the ui
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<sbalneav>
back from lunck
13:15
<Lns>
real quick, i'm a part of the 'fuse' group and a usb thumbdrive works fine on my TC, but no blank USB-DVDRW disc comes up. TC dmesg says "Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods".. clues?
13:16
<johnny>
Lns, but does a real dvd or cd show up?
13:16
not a blank
13:16
<Lns>
johnny: lemme check
13:17
<johnny>
not that i have any insight to your problem.. just something good to start your troubleshooting journey
13:17
<Lns>
;)
13:18
Nope, regular CD (quickbooks installation) doesn't come up either, no additional dmesg output
13:19
i'm guessing i need to use bus_type method =p
13:20
<johnny>
lol
13:20
<Lns>
reading this: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg35060.html
13:21
Ah, I remember this thread now
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<Lns>
domm it, /me needs to wait for d/l to finish before rebooting his tc for shiny new udev rules
13:28
<Quiliro>
sudo ltsp-build-client --debug > terminal_server.txt
13:28
why don't I get all my debug messages in terminal_server.txt ?
13:29
<johnny>
i don't know
13:29
maybe you need to do sterr redirection too
13:29
<Lns>
Quiliro: i'm no bash expert but don't you have to redirect stdout and stderr too?
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<Lns>
Quiliro: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html
13:32
<Quiliro>
thks lns
13:33
<Lns>
np
13:35* Lns loves ACLs
13:35
<Quiliro>
so what I would have to do is:
13:35
sudo ltsp-build-client --debug 2>&1 > terminal_server.txt
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<Lns>
looks sane to me..again i'm no expert though :)
13:36
<Quiliro>
i'll see what happens
13:37
thks again
13:37
<vagrantc>
Quiliro: i think you'll have to actually do > terminal_server.txt 2>&1 ... as confusing as that is
13:38
<Lns>
vagrantc: 2>&1 after the descriptor?
13:39
<vagrantc>
i believe so.
13:39
play around with it and see what happens.
13:39
<Lns>
but...but...the arrow is going the wrong way! :p
13:39
<vagrantc>
it's counter-intuitive, yes.
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<Lns>
actually that makes sense now that you think about it
13:41
<Quiliro>
didn't work
13:41
<Lns>
you're just defining stderr to go to the same file descriptor as stdout - and you've already defined stdout..so you're just defining stderr.
13:42
Quiliro: did you try ltsp-build-client --debug > terminal_server.txt 2>&1
13:43
<Quiliro>
it's weird....i get some of the debug messages
13:43
<vagrantc>
Quiliro: also, try with DEBUG=true ltsp-build-client
13:44
--debug will miss some of the stuff, since someone re-implemented it as a plugin
13:44
so it doesn't kick in until the debug plugin is loaded
13:44
<Quiliro>
http://pastebin.com/m2017d139
13:45
that is the way the forst part goes without redirection
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<Quiliro>
*first part
13:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
y helo thur!
13:54* ogra sighs about crazy huge browser sourcepackages
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: hey, you may also want to upload this patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53253/
14:06
just updating the doc for the lts.conf option I added
14:07
<Quiliro>
sudo ltsp-build-client --debug &> terminal_server.txt
14:07
sudo ltsp-build-client --debug > terminal_server.txt 2>&1
14:07
sudo ltsp-build-client --debug 2>&1 > terminal_server.txt
14:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: any reason to not make stgraber a committer?
14:07
<Quiliro>
I tryed those 3 commands
14:07
<jammcq>
Quiliro: I think you need to redirect > to a file, THEN do the 2>&1
14:08
<Quiliro>
none gave me the same output as sudo ltsp-build-client --debug
14:08
<vagrantc>
jammcq: that was the second one pasted
14:08
<jammcq>
oh
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<ogra>
vagrantc, none at all, i would actually appreciate :)
14:09
<Quiliro>
http://pastebin.com/m2017d139
14:09
<vagrantc>
Quiliro: debug doesn't really do much at all
14:09
Quiliro: how important is it?
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<Quiliro>
i want to know why im getting this error that my public key is not includd
14:11
<johnny>
it's not your public key.. it's the public key for the repository
14:11
but that's apt stuff that i don't know much about
14:11
there's a way to work around it.. but it would be better to fix it
14:12
<Quiliro>
what should i do?
14:12
to fix it?
14:13
<johnny>
look it up
14:22
<Quiliro>
I have no idea of what to search for
14:24
<johnny>
search for that eror message with the word debian
14:24
or apt-get
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<Quiliro>
thks johnny
14:48
<stgraber>
vagrantc, ogra: hehe, yes that would make some things a bit easier :)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: what's the unawr in your patch? :P
15:15
+LDM_RUNONCE boolean unawr Make LDM to run once and exit (used by ltsp-cluster)
15:15
???
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<cliebow>
jammcq: cant seem to dte any rise resetting pw for the wiki..i dont know where it is sending notification..prob downeast.net which i no longer have..
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<Lns>
Anyone remember my earlier USB DVD-RW mounting issue?
15:44
I'm still having issues after following http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg35061.html
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<mighty-d>
Hi
15:44
sbalneav,
15:44
sbalneav, ping
15:44
<Lns>
I can mount the disc manually, but it doesn't help in Gnome
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: oh, that's a good question :)
15:45
that should be "unset"
15:45
looks like my fingers were 1 letter off
15:45
<vagrantc>
yeah, i eventually noticed that
15:46
<Lns>
awww, is it true localdev doesn't have CD/DVD-R support (writing a CD/DVD) ?
15:47
<vagrantc>
stgraber: so, is ltsp-cluster* on it's way to ubuntu proper? is it likely to be useful on debian as well?
15:48
<stgraber>
we have it on Launchpad now with the packaging in a separated branch. we'd like to have it included in Jaunty and I guess it could be worth adding to Debian as well
15:49
I don't think we have any thing Ubuntu-specific so that should work just fine
15:49
<vagrantc>
stgraber: cool. i'd like to look into it more sometime :)
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: we'll be at the hackfest with a demo/hacking server :)
15:53
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i haven't wholly ruled out the possibility of getting there, but it doesn't seem real likely
15:56
<stgraber>
hmm, ok.
15:58
<ogra>
stgraber, welcome to the team :)
15:58
(you got mail)
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<jammcq>
ogra: did you get your plane tickets yet?
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<stgraber>
ogra: great, thanks
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<ogra>
jammcq, nope, i'll care for that tomorrow, i was hoping for an answer from warren about driving, but wil look for a ticket/car package
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<jammcq>
k
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<Lns>
Does anyone think that an #ltsp bot that alerts the chan when someone posts to a mailing-list (ltsp-discuss/-developer) would be useful? I think that'd be so cool.
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<FuriousGeorge>
hey all
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<vagrantc>
Lns: i think that would be a lot of noise.
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Lns: if it were on a separate channel, maybe not so bad.
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<Lns>
vagrantc: only 8 posts today...
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<vagrantc>
but when there's an active thread, you might get hit with a lot.
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<Lns>
vagrantc: I guess so, I don't think it'd be that annoying, compared to the benefit of being able to troubleshoot something in almost realtime after someone posts if you wish to
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<vagrantc>
if it's really low traffic, i suppose.
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i'd hope people actually post useful subjects
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<Lns>
well, I think most of the posts are pretty useful already
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(besides me always ranting of course)
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<vagrantc>
i meant subject headers
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<Lns>
vagrantc: ah
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<vagrantc>
i.e. if the topic changes but ed
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gah
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<Lns>
That's kind of a list issue anyway..
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<vagrantc>
yes, but to have it be posted in irc would just be annoying
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<Lns>
it can always be ignored, I just thought it would be beneficial to people to be able to monitor (and be exposed to) the list while here as well
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<vagrantc>
yeah, would especially help with folks like me who aren't on ltsp-discuss :)
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<Lns>
eeeexactly ;)
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hrm..you do put up a good point though
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about a separate chan...would that be a good idea anyway, to separate dev from support?
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<vagrantc>
if it actually posted a URL to the posting/thread or some such, and had some mechanism to avoid flooding the channel...
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<Lns>
vagrantc: yeah that's what I meant, posting a URL
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one-stop-ltsp-shop ;)
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<FuriousGeorge>
im having a minor client side hardware emergency
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my thin clients dont have ps2 ports, and few barcode scanners work with l;inux
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so i did what i thought was a wise failsafe: i got a ps/2 bardcode scanner, and a usb->ps2 adapter
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funny thing is, it works with keyboards, but not barcode scanners
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ive tried it with kubuntu linux and gentoo as the ltsp server, no difference
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curiously, it works fine on the local side, both keyboard and mouse
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<FuriousGeorge>
similarly, usb keyboards work fine on the client side...
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err, works on local side: keyboard and barcode scanner
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so i thought I would stop and ask here on the way to the mailling list
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does anyone have any thoughts in that?
16:38* Lns always thought most barcode scanners acted exactly like keyboards
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<FuriousGeorge>
Lns: actually
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its something between lstps and the usb->ps2 adapter
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did i mention that keyboards dont work on the client side either
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wait a second, yes they do
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: an adapter shouldn't require anything software-side at all..hence being a self-enclosed device
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<FuriousGeorge>
shoot, it started working
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on gentoo
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but didnt work on *buntu, on the client side
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there is something wierd with this ps/2 adapter and kubuntu
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im sure *buntu in general
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: it's all Linux underneath... ;)
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<FuriousGeorge>
sure but there are fundamental differences, for instance, in gentoo, i plugged it in, had the module built into kernel, and it just works, client side and server side
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in *buntu the usb_hid modle is external, and didnt work until i rebooted
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probably something to do with how kubuntu is using hotplug
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sure these are just 'default' differences
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even though in *buntu discourages custom kernels
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: i'm really not sure :(
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<FuriousGeorge>
im just making conversation at this point tbh
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: why would you say that?
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(discourages custom kernels)
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<FuriousGeorge>
i heard somewhere if you build a custom kernel its not supported
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whatever ;supported' means
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<FuriousGeorge>
probably if you have a kernel related problem, and you go to the mailing lists with your custom kernel, they may tell you you are 'up the creek'
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: supported as in by Canonical probably
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<FuriousGeorge>
i could be wrong
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<Lns>
well yeah, for good reason
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<FuriousGeorge>
Lns: im not insulting
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<Lns>
but it's not like you're 'not allowed' to build a custom kernel in ubuntu ;)
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<FuriousGeorge>
or disagreeing
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: i know
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<FuriousGeorge>
ok, well, im'm going to have to go to the mailing list with this... tbh, the fact that it works on gentoo is a huge releif
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Lns: cuz as you say 'its all linux underneath'
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i be ti just need a custom kernel ;)
16:51
*i bet i
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<Lns>
FuriousGeorge: I wouldn't go through the trouble - if it's a module you're missing (I can't see which one, but of course i'm no kernel expert) I'm sure it's available to modprobe
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<FuriousGeorge>
Lns: im not missing a module, im just thinking inductively
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on gentoo the module is built in, and it works, on kubuntu its external and doesnt
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<FuriousGeorge>
but i could be wrong
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i also see that in getnoo it only works when i use a non usb keyboard
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in the built in pigtail
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iow, the barcode scanner has a female ps2 din where you are supposed to put your existing ps2 kb
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<johnny>
try just setting CONFIGURE_X=F
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: since you were just added to the committers ... please be careful when using push/pull ... it can rewrite revision history.
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adding "append_revisions_only = True" to ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf should help avoid that danger.
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, I have quite a lot of other bzr branches and had that kind of issue in the past :)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i like to bring it up whenever someone new comes on... since it's very unexpected behavior.
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<johnny>
why is there there?
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why isn't that the default rather*
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<vagrantc>
johnny: apparently it's considered a feature rather than a bug
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johnny: i've filed bug reports about it, but the response has been that that's expected behavior.
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it's probably my biggest dislike of bzr.
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<Lns>
Hey, shouldn't there be a running nbdswapd process if you have it enabled?
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provided a TC is turned on obviously
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<warren>
ogra: I'm driving to Maine
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ogra: from Boston
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<Lns>
Holy crap, all this time i thought i was using nbd_swap but i don't think i ever updated my chroot to reflect the bugfix re: port number ...ugh!
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hey ogra, can you tell me real quick if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/235772 fix *only* requires the ltsp-client-setup script to change port # to 9572? I'd rather just update that then rebuild the chroot
17:55
"While it is easy to just upgrade your client chroot to the recent package set, it is recommended to rather recreate the chroot to take advantage of all new features (some of them are set up during chroot creation, so you won't see them with a plain package upgrade)." What kinds of things are we talking about?
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ogra: you might want to take a look at this too, I'm not sure, but I just created a new chroot and the default NBD_SWAP port is still 9210....
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s# grep NBD_PORT /opt/ltsptest/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
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NBD_PORT=${NBD_PORT:-"9210"}
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<vagrantc>
Lns: set NBD_PORT to whatever you need in lts.conf
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Lns: then you wouldn't need to update the chroot
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<Lns>
vagrantc: i know...but i mean the bug was never fixe
17:59
d
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this is a huge deal for people that experience crashes
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thinking their nbd_swap is working
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maybe i did something wrong, but i don't think so..the weird thing is my *own* server has the correct 9572 port in the chroot script
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but all of my clients (all 7 of them) reflect 9210
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<vagrantc>
sounds like the chroot is more recent than the image?
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<Lns>
vagrantc: no, my server works fine
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but in re: to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/235772 - after building a brand new chroot from scratch, the script still reflects 9210
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unless the packages were cached somewhere
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but i would sure think it'd get updated none the less
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<vagrantc>
Lns: look in the package itself ...
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<Lns>
vagrantc: not sure how to do that :( not sure which package it is
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<vagrantc>
Lns: dpkg-deb -x ltsp-client-core_*.deb ~/ltsp-client-core
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you'll need to grab the package, of course...
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dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltsp-client-core
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should show you which version you need to download ...
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dget ltsp-client-core should download whatever version you have available on the server
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<Lns>
ok, thx
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<vagrantc>
dget is in the devscripts package
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<Lns>
vagrantc: ok i found the issue, i'm still at ubuntu6 not ubuntu7 (i presume that's the issue anyway)
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ah, yes...ubuntu7 package has the fix...but now, why aren't my servers updating to that, they have -updates in sources.list
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<vagrantc>
Lns: does /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list* have it?
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<Lns>
vagrantc: no, but it's a brand new chroot dl'ed from scratch
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and the server is updated
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<vagrantc>
Lns: well, apparently it doesn't add -updates in the chroot
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<Lns>
vagrantc: OIC - it updates during ltsp-build-client
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rathre downloades update packages
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blargh..fat fingers
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<vagrantc>
Lns: whatever ltsp-build-client uses to create the sources.list is where the chroot will pull it's packages from.
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<Lns>
vagrantc: right... so, the only 2 lines that i've ever seen by default in the chroot sources.list on ubuntu is:
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deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted --AND-- deb http://security.ubuntu.com//ubuntu hardy main restricted
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Maybe I'm thinking too radically but shouldn't we be pulling -updates by default for things like this?
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<vagrantc>
it should follow the conventions that a typical ubuntu install follow...
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i.e. whatever normally gets in sources.list should probably be in sources.list
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<Lns>
hrm... ok
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well i'll definitely be adding -updates to my own
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<vagrantc>
Lns: file a bug about it
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<Lns>
i will actually
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it's a good idea IMHO
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<Quiliro>
I was successfull with ltsp in gNewSense
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added new directory gNewSnse
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and edited some of the scripts
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and then sudo ltsp-build-client --accept-unsigned-packages
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<Lns>
holy crap, 58 new packages in a hardy chroot after adding hardy-updates only
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<Quiliro>
i have to try to use a workstation
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we will have ltsp at 12800ft high at a native american community in Ecuador
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<Lns>
alright...just filed the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/277331
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<Lns>
'Night all
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<jammcq>
hey chuck
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<cliebow>
jammcq!!
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wasnt paying attention
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<Quiliro>
i have made a new directory for gnewsense
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<jammcq>
cliebow: hey
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<Quiliro>
where can i upload it
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the scripst have been modified
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/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/gNewSense
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johnny
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do u know where to publish?
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upload
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<Ryan52>
Quiliro: if you want it included in upstream, it's probably best for you to branch the bzr repo, and push your own with the needed changes somewhere. then you can email the ltsp-developer list and ask somebody to pull from it...
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<Quiliro>
ryan52: i guess i don know how to do that.... :-(
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<Ryan52>
bzr branch lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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cd ltsp-trunk
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# add your stuff
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<Ryan52>
bzr add path/to/stuff/I/just/added/here/
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bzr commit -m "Add support for gNewSense"
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then you have to go to launchpad and make an account and a repository, and "bzr push" to where launchpad tells you to.
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there are probably much better instructions on launchpad...
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<Quiliro>
i really didnt understand...sorry :-(
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<Ryan52>
anyway, I doubt anybody would really mind if you just sent made a tarball and emailed that to the list.
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<Quiliro>
i can do that !
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<Quiliro>
ryan52: may i send it to your email and you upload it?
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<Ryan52>
no, I don't do that.
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ltsp-developer AT lists DOT sourceforge DOT net
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that's the email list.
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<Quiliro>
ok
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thksd
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<Quiliro>
ryan53: i just sent the email
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<Quiliro>
ryan52: i just sent the email
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<Ryan52>
I haven't gotten the email from it yet...maybe an "admin" person has to approve it or something like that...
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<Ryan52>
sbalneav, ogra: can I commit that ldm-fix-input-field-location.patch?
20:59* Ryan52 just remembered about that
20:59* Ryan52 fears committing without permission :P
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<warren>
Ryan52: that didn't already go in?
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Ryan52: If you're certain it wont break anyone just go ahead.
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Ryan52: we need people to trust their own judgment, if we've chosen to trust our judgment to let them have commit access.
22:44* johnny trusts Ryan52
22:44* johnny doesn't trust warren tho.. not whatsoever
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<johnny>
lol
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<Ryan52>
heh
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okay, I'll commit it then.
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<warren>
johnny: That is a good sign of your character and judgment. I wouldn't trust Warren either.
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<johnny>
hehe
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<FuriousGeorge>
hey all. my thin client is usb only, and i need to make a barcode scanner work under linux, soi have a ps/2->usb adapter... the keyboard half of this adapter only works on the server. and doesnt work on the client...
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<FuriousGeorge>
unless, i bring it home to my gentoo based ltsp server and client
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there its plug and play, so what im trying to say is ive controlled for the distro, and the problem seems to correlate with that
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here is another piece of evidence, for whatever its worth: in *buntu, while it works, the computer must be restarted
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<johnny>
huh?
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<FuriousGeorge>
and the main difference i can see is that in gentoo its built into kernel (usbhid), while in *buntu its an external module
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<johnny>
no.. that shouldn't be a problem
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<FuriousGeorge>
johnny: i have a laptop which i havent tested on yet, so far the behavior has followed every *buntu computer ive used
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kubuntu 8.04.1 actuallty
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<johnny>
didn't you say it worked on the server?
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<FuriousGeorge>
yes, but only after a reboot
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i have some *buntu computers laying around, i need to verify
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<johnny>
did you try my suggestion of setting CONFIGURE_X=F ?
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maybe xorg will do a better job of figuring it out
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your problem will probably be resolved in ubuntu ltsp for intrepid
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since newer versions of xorg require hal now
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<FuriousGeorge>
johnny: when did you suggest configure_x=f?
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<johnny>
last time you were here?
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a few hours ago?
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<FuriousGeorge>
oh, i went afc... unfortunately, the place is closed, so i cant try anything tll tomorrow
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<FuriousGeorge>
i just double verified, and i plugged the ps/2->usb adapter in to an already booted kubuntu and it didnt work on a desktop with intel chipset of some sort
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let me try on my laptop, which has an older kubuntu on it
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ok, more evidence: in *buntu, the adapter starts working, without a reboot, if i hit the capslock key
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johnny: that directive you gave me was for lts.conf?
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<johnny>
yes