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Hi. I'm experiencing great difficulties to gget DHCP working. I need to setup on with NIC it should use, but i can't find how to
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I'm experiencing great difficulties to gget DHCP working. I need to setup on with NIC it should use, but i can't find how to. Any ideas ?
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Hi people. Got a problem : On my new ltsp installation, I have " No response from server... Restarting" when i try to log in. Whats going on ?
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Bad username or password can cause that.
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_Shane, ty, it was a problem of ssh keys
I'm getting mad with ltsp-cluster :X
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question: can i get any problems if i upgrade my basis ltsp server from 8.10 ubuntu to 9.04
yoshi_: are you having any trouble with 8.10?
no not at all
everything is working fine except sabayon
yoshi_: are there any features you need that 9.04 will give you?
but that is a know bug
ext4 i thought
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yoshi_, follow the normal upgrade procedure for the server side (update-manager etc), move your old chroot out of the way and run an ltsp-build-client to create a new image
that should be all
ext4 is not stable enough that you should use it in production
so the new chroot env has a new kernel with better hw support correct ?
that and it has changes that only apply at build time of the image ... which is why you should rebuilt it
its because i read some problems with graphics if upgrading
the intel driver has some issues
but thats fixable ?
its listed somewhere in the release notes
it mainly manifests after suspend/resume on laptops
and you might have slowness issues with compiz
the first isnt really relevant on thin clients :)
ltsp is great but what is really misses is something like sabayon or the functionalitity to easy manage preferences for users en policies and priviliges
and the second only if you plan to enforce using compiz
i disabled compiz for use on thin clients
so that doesn't matter
then it should be fine ...
o we got another question dough:
just keep your old chroot and img around ... then you can revert easily
currently we are building implementation for use in a school with 140 computers
and running flash firefox and some other programs locally
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but we want to replace the big boxes
with small clients
how small ?
wich thin client you propose for running apps also localy
i was lookin into wyse terminals
or building ourselfs with atom matx boards maybe
using localapps with less than 256M and 500MHz wont work well (i would even recommend 512M and 1GHz)
1ghz at least yes
right, ATOM boxes will be fine
just put enough ram in
well than i was thinking on these EE pc's from asus
but seems there are problems also with it
they will be perfectly fine
Asus Nettop Eee Box B202
something like this works fine with ltsp ?
i have no experience with them but i would expect them to work fine
ok we will order one to test it :)
i know there are a bunch of people that use EEEs (though not the nettops) with ltsp
thank ogra for the help already :)
and if you look at disklessworkstations.com you will see that their main procudt has similar specs ...
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and i know _UsUrPeR_ did a lot of testing with it
so that should work with jaunty
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i notice them
the one with the atom cpu
and the via cpu
_UsUrPeR_, you guys really need to get rid of these e1000's
the smartcard reader is also a nice feature
|07:26||* ogra assumes the support costs these generate smart out the money you can make by selling them|
anyone has experiance with that ? so if a user puts in his smartcard he gets logged into his desktop
no, ldm is missing support for it yet
you can probably hack something up for it though
yoshi_, compare the eeepc and the acer aspire one, also a netbook, about same specs. much better screen, at least compared to older eeepcs. i don't know about the most recents ones, whether they come with improved displays
ogra: believe me, we're trying to :)
Bushmills, well, he was talking about nettops, not netbooks :) the former usually come without displays
fwiw, I have heard that they will run win98 off a flash drive... competantly
(and the aspire have 2 smart card readers. one for permanent flash extension, the other as removable storage
_UsUrPeR_, i run mine as a router (jammcq gave me one years ago) ...
_UsUrPeR_, it takes 4mins to boot to a cmdline
(from CF card)
Bushmills: thanks but i was indeed in the need for nettops and not books :)
works fine for the purpose once its up though
Yeah, we tend to point people looking for text-based terminals towardf those
single app kiosk setups could also work
i know jim used them for database form apps
yoshi_ do you know about the ndiyo slim client?
aka thin client
http://www.ndiyo.org/systems looked interesting, a while back.
oo yes i read about that
but it's again a solution build on top of the already free solutions :)
if ltsp keep evolving it will becom a nice alternative of terminal services
and also very usefull in the coorperate enviroment
here's a video which does away with the thin client altogether: http://www.ndiyo.org/files/hubster/hubster.mp4
ogra: so what makes you say we need to get rid of those?
bushmills that is a good solution in a computer lab or so but not for us because we need to go over ip
_UsUrPeR_, they are simply to underpowered
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ogra: preaching to the quire ;)
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|08:20||* Bushmills runs an atom N270 in the mainly used machine, and disagrees with "underpowered"|
they may not be good for all tasks. video encoding is slower than real time, for example.
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Bushmills, we were talking about this one: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=95INuotB :)
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oh. my bad again.
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Gadi if you're around, upgrading to jaunty and install ltspfs worked very well
treyh: good to hear. worked very well = in ldm and rdesktop?
cdrom and USB both?
the only thing that it did that was weird
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on the usb stick, after I removed it, it didn't remove the folder out of drives on ltsp
but no biggie
I didn't try to duplicate it
or test it
but I will today if I get a chance to upgrade this customer's ltsp box
devil's in the details
i think most normal users wouldn't notice but teachers are extremly picky lol
well, dev's don't like the quirks either :)
usually speaks to something under the surface
gadi/treyh: About the removal of mounted USB drives from the desktop, I had the same thing happen to me.
removing worked the second time around though
oh yeah? in ldm?
ubuntu 9.04 in ldm, yes
after a server reboot I tried again. It worked that time
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in ldm mine always removed
but in rdesktop it didn't
I'll double check today though hopefully, have a boring sales meeting this morning, about a phone system lol
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hi, during boot clients spend a lot of time "populating /dev" and then with messages like "hdc no response, status 0x0A, resetting driver" and then the same for hdd. What am I doing wrong? this way it takes very long to boot (2 minutes)
(thin clients without local storage)
markit: is there a cdrom?
if not, go into the BIOS and disable your IDE bus entirely
that may help
I has anyone made a good writeup for ltsp-localapps implementation yet? With permanent natting and IP forward and everything?
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Gadi: mmm it has no cdrom either.. so no fancy parameter on ltsp side?
thanks a lot, I've to run
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ok, I'm making a writeup :)
_UsUrPeR_, stgrabers blog entry is all i know
I'll be putting something in the ltsp twiki
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_UsUrPeR_: NATting is explained there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
thats pretty outdated
there should be as doc based on ufw
the firewall ubuntu ships by default
I'll try to integrate that
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ogra: yeah, LTSP spec approved by Rick
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what's normally used for scripting with LTSP if not bash? I want to change DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="DROP" to DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="ACCEPT" in /etc/default/ufw
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|11:37||* Lns wonders why 'petermatulis' has been editing the ubuntu ltsp wiki and breaking the formatting of the sections|
kind of futile, given the revision history of wikis.. =p
So is graffiti, given the ubiquity of more paint.
you really think he was sabotaging?
looks like his intentions were good but he left it in a bad state
ogra, tried compcache for the first time today, 64M VM client suddenly became very usable, including localapps xterm, localdev and sound :)
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hi all. I am using LTSP 5 in debian lenny. I cannot use pen drives in terminals. pls help.
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hi all. I am using LTSP 5 in debian lenny. I cannot use pen drives in terminals. pls help.
fs001, you might have to wait til you can talk to vagrantc
fs001: have you read the documentation regarding setting up localdev ?
i am still in 4.2..so no..
it's something like /localdev in the lts.conf file
fs001: you may need lenny-backports version of ltspfs/ltspfsd
I have created lts.conf and added the line LOCALDEV=True
|11:55||* Gadi seems to recall someone saying that here|
or Gadi might be a help 8~)
well, vagrantc would be the authority
I am just relaying what I have heard in the channel
fs001: are your users part of the 'fuse' group? (is that applicable to debian?)
the user which I tried exists in fuse group
fs001: have you checked the client's logs for clues?
which log? /var/log/syslog in client?
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fs001: dmesg would probably have the info you need
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Lns: which log? /var/log/syslog in client?
|12:12||* Lns had no idea simply CTRL+Fn would switch ttys...always thought it was CTRL+ALT+Fn|
At least when you're already on a text tty..
fs001: log into the TC text tty and type 'dmesg'
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Lns: Don't you mean alt+Fn?
Blinny: blrrrp..yes =p
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So weird, because i've always been in the habit of configuring my kb shortcuts to change wm workspaces w/Alt+Fn
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firefox is crashing on ltsp clients
it's a problem
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ahmuck: care to elaborate?
firefox is randomly crashing. happens with adobe flash more often
Ahmuck: What environment are you running LTSP in? Also, tell me about your clients. What version of flash do you presently have installed?
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Ahmuck: just FF crashing, or the whole TC session?
upgrade from ubuntu 8.10 ltsp to ubuntu 9.04 ltsp
Ahmuck: and only when using flash?
or "mostly" ?
on the clients. on the server it's fine, unless a client crashes, and then it appears to crashe all opened browsers
mostly. not entirely
|13:06||* Lns remembers something about this in hardy a while back that had to do w/entropy, but was a different situation|
Ahmuck: have you done the firefox optimizations described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Firefox3Optimize ?
Some of that "safe browsing" malarkey might be hosing stuff, i dunno..
Who knows what's broken in the global ff prefs in jaunty though, seems like every release something else doesn't work correctly there
|13:08||* Lns curses not being able to easily set default homepage for everyone through firefox.js|
|13:15||* Blinny curses not being able to set bidi.browser.ui through firefox.js|
|13:16||* Blinny curses not being able to set persistent print_header* and print_footer* settings through firefox.js|
|13:16||* Blinny curses firefox.js|
|13:16||* Lns wonders if firefox-gnome-support could help these issues|
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ubufox or whatever is what is screwing w/ bidi.browser.ui
Lns: What do you mean re: firefox-gnome-support ?
Blinny: well, at least if you use gnome, maybe firefox-gnome-support could incorporate some gconf magic to take care of what firefox.js barfs up on the floor
I'm ashamed to state that I've historically shunned gconf-editor
You know, once you see the potential of it, it's really pretty nice to have. And it's definitely not anything like the windows registry/regedit - much, much simpler, cleaner, and extensible
Of course, I'd much rather have the FF team fix the bugs in their global configs,...
but I get the feeling from them that the code is so buried and scattered that it wouldn't be worth trying
Dude. Fiire is no more..??
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Lns, sudo gedit /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.10/defaults/profile/user.js
and insert: user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.google.com/");
alkisg: that gets overwritten on every update, no?
No, that's prefs.js
I don't think user.js gets overwritten
hrm, that might work then...have you done that w/success?
Works, but I'm not sure about the updates thing
if "dpkg -S /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.10/defaults/profile/user.js" shows it belonging to a package, it'll get overwritten.
That file doesn't exists, it's user-created, but when firefox gets updated I don't know if it transfers it to the new firefox-3.0.x directory...
.../profile is a symlink to /etc/firefox-*
I don't think user.js works
ah, if profile is a symlink to /etc/, you should be set.
I've just tried with the ubuntu guest session, it works for me.
presuming it works, of course :)
Hrm. I've just tried and no worky for me :(
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|13:46||* Blinny has 8.04.2|
here's a weird question that's cropped up a few times in school environments..is there a way to lock down permissions for users so that they can't *change* them (i.e. to try and lock out other users who have permissions via acl or similar), regardless of whether they own the files or not?
alkisg: painful/less upgrade to 9.04 ?
Lns: you could always wrap chown
I've only tried upgrading once, from 7.10 to 8.04 (and it broke), ever since then I install from scratch
alkisg: Preserving /home or ..?
Yes, i've even made a small script to transfer the users
I'm more worried about some esoteric .local or .metacity or .gnome2 something that causes problems when suddenly loaded in Jaunty.
Blinny: good idea. though i'm not sure if nautilus uses chown specifically
or chmod, etc
I got a small problem with the panels (the new fusa icon) so I had to call gconftool-2 for all users to erase the panel settings
*not with 9.04, that was with 8.10
*with 9.04 I don't think I had any problems with local user settings
it'd be cool if gnome/gconf was smart enough to detect a (drastic) version change and automatically back up previous settings
or ask the user "do you want to attempt to update your current settings, or start over?"
Here's a one-liner to change the start page, that works for me: echo 'user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.google.gr/");' | sudo tee /etc/firefox-*/profile/user.js
alkisg: nice, thanks =)
But it's a "default" setting, not a mandatory one
alkisg: sure...you could probably change that w/ 'user_lockPref' or whichever is correct, right?
Is there such a thing? /me looks...
|13:54||* Lns isn't sure if lockPref is available in all config files though|
anyway i'm out to save the world by installing a soundcard in the ltsp server so kids can hear sound through rdesktop. =p
crazy ms tactics
Lns: you tried using local sound?
treyh: whta do you mean?
Lns: on the rdesktop command add -r sound:local:alsa
I believe it uses local sound on the client to be redirected to rdesktop
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treyh: i've done '-r sound:local' -- is sound:local:alsa supposed to emulate a sound card in windows? the windows apps themselves seem to require a sound card/driver to work
treyh: i think you need both an audio chipset and the '-r sound:local'
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if the client has audio hardware, it should work
treyh: hmm. are you sure?
all my clients are rdesktoping into a TS on vmware that has no sound card
hmm, that's my setup too.
how does adding :alsa (i've seen :oss too) change things? I wrap my rdesktop command w/padsp
Well i'll test it while i'm out there..thanks for the tip treyh =)
lns: I think just sound:local tries to automatically specific a driver
using alsa or oss specifies which to use
the client, must have working sound hardware
Lns: no problem, let me know if it doesn't work
Lns: if you're still around, forgot to tell you to also add this to lts.conf
SOUND = false
|14:19||* alkisg just tried putting lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.alkisg.com/"); in /etc/firefox-*/prefs/user.js (that's a different location - lockPref didn't work in ../profile) and it worked fine, now all users have a locked homepage!!! :)|
Lns, Blinny, ^^^
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I'm having a problem with sed
_UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "need sed help" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/329
woop, wait. I got that. needed a few escape characters.
namely: sed 's/\#net\/ipv4\/ip_forward=1/net\/ipv4\/ip_forward=1/' ~/sysctl.conf.old > ~/sysctl.conf
unfortunately, it prints a blank file
never mind, I got it
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alkisg: No worky for me :( -- must be a Jaunty thing
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goldeneyes: most in here speak english
wondered if some of you implemented LTSP to run multimedia applications much like French classes
you mean like videos
Goldeneyes: like an application that will teach French Class?
treyh yes videos and sound
maybe Rosetta under WINE?
treyh: Yes will teach frensch class
I already have the application but this is for Windows, what I want is to implement a laboratory with 25 terminals and running this application, multimedia (video and sound), but my question is whether the performance of LTSP handle or have much traffic on the network
someone mind reviewing my ufw tables to tell me why localapps is not working properly?
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "Little help with ufw? \O_o/" (75 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/330
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Goldeneyes: best way is to try to run the application under wine and see how it performs
_UsUrPeR_: I would but haven't dove into ufw yet
I'm trying to make it so you'll never have to :)
_UsUrPeR_: perfect lol
I'm actually very familiar with firewalls, spend a lot of time with openbsd's packet filter and freebsd's IPF
but ipchains I've never read upon
it's weird to me how you enable commands but they aren't saved unless you put them in a file
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Hi. Someone was helping me yesterday with getting a graphics on a client working. I now have it working (I changed the old CRT screen for a newer flatscreen). Now, when I move the mouse I get lines (looks like interference) across the screen. I tried using the tool in Ubuntu to detect the monitor but it says it is unknown. Can anyone help?
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I'll try again some other time. Bye.,
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LNS you around?
Lns: you around?
just got back
treyh: sound=false would help how?
It works fine for me - all my thin clients have sound chipsets. using '-r sound:local' OR '-r sound:local:oss' seems to work fine... I just took oss out
I had no idea rdesktop could redirect so many things, pretty nifty
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Anyone know if you can disable sound in Ubuntu LTSP for specific users only?
It looks lke the whole 'audio' group thing is depreciated as none of the users are a member but all still get sound on the TC
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