IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 August 2011   (all times are UTC)

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11:55
<andygraybeal>
offtopic, but my lady and i bought a house with 19 acres of land. :) we are all moved in and my life is in boxes.
11:56
it's good overall, overwhelming too.
11:57* Hyperbyte high fives andygraybeal!
11:57
<andygraybeal>
;)
11:57
<Hyperbyte>
Congrats man! :-D
11:58
That's awesome. Pictures? :)
11:58
<andygraybeal>
yea, it's great, and thanks :)
11:58
oh pics... she's got'em all on her facebook i think
11:58
so i don't have any
11:58
the house isn't great; needs work
12:00
she doesn't have them up anywhere yet
12:00
<Hyperbyte>
It's all about the potential man. :-)
12:00
<andygraybeal>
it's regular stick house with vinyl siding
12:00
<Hyperbyte>
It's not about what it is, it's about what it can be. ;-)
12:00
<andygraybeal>
yea, i gotta fix the vinyl and put in heating before winter
12:01
we are gonna talk to a gas drilling company who wants to put a well on the land tomorrow
12:01
er thursday
12:01
that is a little scary.
12:01
but we might get money and it would pay most of the mortgage
12:03
which is exciting, maybe i can eventually quit my day job and farm
12:16
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
12:17
Your day job is the restaurant gig, right?
12:17
<andygraybeal>
yea
12:17
i love restaurant, but farming i think would be more satisfying
12:18
we get the bulk of our produce from the farmers
12:18
<Hyperbyte>
Well, could be interesting the gas drilling... as long as they don't kill the ground. :-)
12:18
<andygraybeal>
and i want to learn that :)
12:18
yea, exactly - it is scary, i will have to get a lawyer
12:21
i probably won't be able to get 'organic certified' if i have a gas well in my pasture
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12:30
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I imagine they'd want to investigate for gas first before they put a well?
12:30
Or is it certain there's gas in the ground?
12:30
<andygraybeal>
there is gas there; everyone in my area has a well
12:30
<Hyperbyte>
** well -> drill
12:30
Ahh
12:31
<andygraybeal>
they have the spot already marked ... 'right of way' is legally in place; we just have to agree to their plans.
12:31
this all happened before we owned it.
12:31
<Hyperbyte>
Well then the question is how much money would the organic certified earn you, and how much would the gas drill earn you. =)
12:32
<andygraybeal>
gas well would definetly get us more money :)
12:33
<Hyperbyte>
Heheheh
12:33
Well....... $$$$
12:34
<andygraybeal>
i can still make money from non-organic produce; most people understand around here that getting an organic certification is expensive and a little rediculous.
12:34
as long as you say you don't use herbicides or pesticides most people are cool
12:36
<muppis>
Heh. Perspective. We just got 2,4 acres of land for our house and we got locally big piece of land for a house without any farming. :)
12:37
<Hyperbyte>
Try buying some land near Rotterdam. :-)
12:38
<muppis>
Heh. :)
12:38
Too far away for me.
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12:43
<andygraybeal>
actually the farm acreage is about 3 acres, the rest is woods. hopefully i can help to cultivate some mushrooms, ginseng, and golden seal, among other things out in the woods.
12:44
<muppis>
Neat.
12:44
<andygraybeal>
yea, this is years down the line if things go well :)
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12:47
<andygraybeal>
are you guys aware of any asset management software... with the ability to link to caldav with preventive maintenance schedule, manage spare parts, be able to track service done on equipment?
12:47
<Hyperbyte>
Not me.
12:48
<andygraybeal>
i found calemeam ... it seems like it promises these things.
12:48
it feels and looks awkward and i'm afraid people might not use it.
12:49
also otrs seems to promise these things, but i can't find it on their docs.
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13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
good morning!
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
Yo! :)
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
a quick question: is it possible to run something in LDM from the server upon client boot?
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13:42
<Hyperbyte>
What are you trying to achieve exactly?
13:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
making changes to a user's desktop by executing scripts during LDM which will take place during login
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13:50
<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, what kind of changes?
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
adding desktop icons
13:50
based on the user that logs in
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
Why do you want to do this on LDM login?
13:51
It'd be much easier to do on Gnome login.
13:52
Or Gnome start, rather.
13:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
is that something that can be run from the server?
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13:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
either of them?
13:52
<Hyperbyte>
It runs on the server
13:53
But you could easily run ltsp-localapps on the server when Gnome is starting, because the user is already logged in.
13:53
You know of .desktop files?
13:53
(Gnome launchers)
13:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
13:53* _UsUrPeR_ checks
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13:53
<Hyperbyte>
For example, every icon in the Gnome menu is a .desktop file, so are all launchers (Windows calls these 'shortcuts') you create in Gnome.
13:54
If you place a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/ it'll automatically start on Gnome login.
13:54
erg... Gnome login -> Gnome start.
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13:54
<Hyperbyte>
There are some .desktop files in that directory already probably, for your inspiration... they're plain text files.
13:55
You can make a .desktop file that starts a script on the server, for example. In that script you can put all your hacking to be done on Gnome startup.
13:55
Also, I'm pretty sure there's a global configuration directory for desktop icons, so you can 'force' certain icons onto the desktop an easier way, but this I don't know about yet.
13:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
specifically, this individual is wondering if there is an equivalent LDM that he used to be able to do in GDM in /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default
14:09
<Hyperbyte>
The things I've just told you, not useful? :)
14:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
no, they are, but this is a specific question I need answered. Inferring that it's possible from what you have written is there, but a simple yes/no would be much more concise. I am not familiar with /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default, or it's purpose in comparison to LDM
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14:18
<Hyperbyte>
Well, /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default is a GDM directory, it won't work with LDM. I just gave you one equivalent.
14:18
If you want others, you can look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
14:19
Or even /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d
14:20
Happy hacking with those last two.
14:20
:)
14:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
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14:57
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, do you know where i might ask questions regarding an asset management program?
14:59
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, Google? :)
14:59
<andygraybeal>
yea, i've been googling for weeks.
14:59
thanks though, i thought you might know of a forum
14:59
or irc channel
14:59
<Hyperbyte>
Nope
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15:00
<Hyperbyte>
Personally, I'd probably contact companies (who aren't direct competitors) to ask what software they use.
15:01
<andygraybeal>
okay, thank you
15:02
<Hyperbyte>
No need to reinvent the wheel if there's a company in the same business who wouldn't mind helping you a little. :)
15:09
<highvoltage>
http://davelargo.blogspot.com/2011/08/opensuse-114-woes.html
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17:21
<mnemoc>
hi, do you know documentation about letting ltsp clients (ubuntu 11.04) use bluetooth? i've failed to find anything relevant :-/
18:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
mnemoc: I have never attempted to use bluetooth on a LTSP client. What are you attempting to use bluetooth for? Mouse?
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19:34
<mnemoc>
_UsUrPeR_: headset and mouse
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19:37
<Hyperbyte>
mnemoc, LTSP has local devices, which supports local USB filesystems (USB sticks, et cetera - filesystems only!) to be used by applications running on the server.
19:38
There's also local printer support, which enables applications on the server to use printers connected to a thin client (done via lts.conf)
19:39
Bluetooth headsets should work if they work with Linux and PulseAudio. LTSP transfers sound between client and server by default, it's not a problem to use a regular headset with LTSP. Not sure about bluetooth, but if it works with PulseAudio, it should work with LTSP.
19:39
As for your mouse, that's also done entirely on the client. So if the mouse works with regular Ubuntu by default, it should work with LTSP.
19:40
If it needs special configuration you can also set that on the client of course, but bluetooth mouse support and bluetooth headset support are more question of 'does Ubuntu support it?' rather than 'does LTSP support it?', because as long as they're compatible with Ubuntu it should work with LTSP.
19:42
<mnemoc>
Hyperbyte: thanks, i'll try to find why the client isn't seeing the BT stuff, everything works fine when plugging the adapter directly on the ltsp userver
19:43
good to know 'it should work' (tm), so I can focus in finding configuration problems or missing packages in the client itself
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19:50
<Hyperbyte>
Well, in theory. I haven't tried it. :)
19:51
But LTSP uses PulseAudio for remote audio, and remote X for transferring mouse events. Those are both quite standard Linux functions, which should work with bluetooth hardware.
19:52
mnemoc, but explain to me - everything works fine when it's plugged in to the server. What software are you trying to use the bluetooth headset with?
19:55
<mnemoc>
when using the server as a desktop, with a usb BT adapter connected the volume applet lists the headset, on the client it doesn't... but on the server I have a BT applet running which claims there is no adapter when started on the client
19:56
i suppose it's the 'applet' who is setting it up and pulse can see it, so I would need udev to do the same on the client
20:02
<Hyperbyte>
Ah... yeah, possibly.
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22:43
<redi>
Hi, I want to ask, is it possible to use LTSP as HTPC? And what is the limitation? LAN? server CPU? client GPU?
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22:50
<stgraber>
redi: I guess it'd be fine if you run the app as a localapp. If it's running on the remote server, then you'll need a lot of bandwidth
22:51
<redi>
so 1000mb LAN is not enough?
22:56
ok, never mind. I just found thread on ubuntuforums about using XBMC. I will try it. Thank you
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