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Channel log from 4 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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03:09
<alkisg>
highvoltage?! Where did jocarter go?! :)
03:13
<highvoltage>
it was the second failed attempt at a nick change
03:13
I guess I'm stuck with highvoltage forever :)
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07:11
<NeonLicht>
!keep ama
07:11
<ltsp>
Error: "keep" is not a valid command.
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11:17
<markit>
hi, what importance has belong to groups dialout,cdrom,plugdev,lpadmin? I've noticed that the "system" user that is created at ubuntu installation belongs to those groups, while if I enter "adduser" new user do not
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12:44
<piet>
@alkisg: Hi alkis, sitting in lab 2 at the workstation that didn't boot. After patching the ampersand to config-file. The station boots now, the printer can be seen, but it doesn't print. . . .
12:45
<alkisg>
piet: are you using the correct device name?
12:45
<piet>
@alkisg: telnet ip 9100 doesn't print either . . .
12:45
<alkisg>
Get a root console to that station from epoptes, and run `ls /dev/usb*`
12:47
<piet>
@alkisg: /dev/usblp0 as far as I can see
12:47
<alkisg>
And the output of `getltscfg -a` ?
12:50
<piet>
@alkisg what do You expect me to see? There is a PRINTER_0_DEVICE output
12:50
<alkisg>
With value=/dev/usblp0 ?
12:51
<piet>
@alkisg:it doesn't show a value at all
12:52
<alkisg>
piet: getltscfg -a | grep PRINTER
12:52
(now you're seeing the export line, we want the line with the = sign)
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12:54
<piet>
@alkisg /dev/usblp0 and type U
12:54
<alkisg>
piet: and, netstat -nap | grep 9100 ?
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12:56
<piet>
@alkisg: says LISTEN
12:56
<alkisg>
jetpipe?
12:57
<piet>
@alkisg Index error: List out of range . . .
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12:58
<alkisg>
piet: no, I was wondering if netstat -nap | grep 9100 says "LISTEN jetpipe"
12:58
i.e. that jetpipe is running
12:58
If jetpipe is up and running and listening on port 9100, that's about all I can help, I haven't ever used jetpipe
12:59
<piet>
@alkisg: I just let You in. Have a look . . .
12:59
<alkisg>
piet: do you mean that I should open my vnc listener?
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12:59
<alkisg>
(you need to run the x11vnc line _after_ i open my server...)
13:00
<piet>
@alkisg ok
13:00
<bieb>
alkisg: how was your vacation?
13:01
<alkisg>
Hi bieb, it was fine, unfortunately it's over :(
13:01
<piet>
@alkisg im right at this pc
13:01
<bieb>
alkisg: I hear that.. they are never long enough
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<alkisg>
piet: I don't see anything weird... jetpipe is listening on port 9100
13:05
So if it's supposed to print, I don't know why it doesn't
13:05* alkisg has never used jetpipe
13:06
<piet>
@alkisg same hardware configuration works under windows . . .
13:07
@alkisg so printer, cable, paper, power etc are ok
13:10
<alkisg>
piet: btw, this is a fat client
13:10
If you're trying to use a usb printer on a fat client, you don't need anything in lts.conf
13:10
<piet>
@alkisg yes, it is
13:10
<alkisg>
No jetpipe, no PRINTER_DEVICE_0 etc
13:11
<piet>
@ alkisg it needs an own cups?
13:11
<alkisg>
It does have cups installed
13:11
You may put CUPS_SERVER=127.0.0.1 in lts.conf
13:12
Then the client will only see itself as the printer server, it won't look at the server's printers
13:12
I think some environment stuff for PRINTER_DEVICE_* is missing from fat clients
13:13
So it might be easier to use cups instead of jetpipe...
13:13
You can share printers with cups, with cupsctl enable something
13:13
Even local ones
13:14
It's even plug 'n' play if you do it this way, you can plug printers after boot without caring about lts.conf
13:14
But the env vars for fat clients _do_ need to get fixed...
13:15
<piet>
@alkisg want to have a look for epoptes that doesn't work either? Right now or later?
13:15
<alkisg>
piet: where do you want to launch epoptes from?
13:15
It needs to run at the ltsp server, so if you want to run it on a fat client, you need remoteaps
13:15
<piet>
@alkisg Do You mean a special ltsp-client?
13:15
<alkisg>
LTSP_REMOTEAPPS=True in lts.conf, and ltsp-remoteapps epoptes
13:16
Let me check the exact lts.conf setting...
13:16
REMOTE_APPS=True
13:16
And then you make a launcher for `ltsp-remoteapps epoptes`
13:16
That's for fat clients, while for thin clients it works out of the box
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(I mean the teacher PC; student clients work out of the box, thin or fats)
13:19
Each epoptes-client can only connect / be controlled by ONE server. You need to launch another epoptes, at the other server, to see its clients.
13:19
<piet>
@alkisg yes, but I don't see clients from the other lab. Des it mean I have to ltsp-remoteapps epoptes to the other server somehow?
13:19
<alkisg>
You can do that with ssh-copy-id server2, and then ssh -X server2 epoptes
13:20
<piet>
@alkisg I will test it tonight . . .
13:21
<alkisg>
Nice
13:22
<markit>
alkisg: just for curiosity, when you install a brand new server, what username do you choose for the user?
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13:22
<alkisg>
markit: administrator
13:23
and "server" for the server
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<markit>
I've used "teacher" and that was not very clever, and I use "gnuserver" for the server
13:23
<alkisg>
"administrator" is the owner of the shared folders, as we install them here
13:23
We used "teacher" in the past, but now with the shared folders, we have 1 administrator and many teachers
13:24
Teachers are used to that name from windows... what can you do :)
13:24
<markit>
with the script I used to migrate users, the already existing grups was not overwrote, so I ended today with "teacher" grup empty, and so "students". I tested only with teacher account past days... shame on me ;P
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13:26
<markit>
In the schools here we changed director... previous was totally ignorant about IT and let me do whatever I wanted, more or less (except teacher's complains about their beloved windows). Now the have a new one, I've to meet it yet... all I know is that is a professor of mathematics and uses "ubuntu"
13:26
but seems not (I googled for him) very found in FOSS
13:27
so I'm wondering if can do more harm than good, I'll let you know ;P
13:27
Also I've problems with alsamixer crashing
13:27
and KDE very slow the first time you enter an empty home... n short, I cross my fingers
13:28* markit wasting alkisg time on his pointless rants
13:29
<highvoltage>
are there any other kind? :)
13:29
<alkisg>
Haha
13:30
Yesterday I renamed "teacher" to "administrator"... since then pulseaudio kept crashing
13:30
I found out that ~/.alsarc had the old path to home dir, and aplay + pulseaudio crashed because of that
13:30
<bieb>
alkisg: I have a question for locking down home directories.. I followed the how to and edited /etc/adduser.conf to add dir_mode=0770, but new home dirs created are still getting original chmod giving Other r+w.. any idea what else to look at?
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<alkisg>
bieb: if you're talking about umask, see the ltsp mailing list or try man pam_umask
13:31
<markit>
alkisg: can you rename the user???
13:31
<alkisg>
markit: sure... usermod does everything
13:31
<piet>
@alkisg What Do You mean by But the env vars for fat clients _do_ need to get fixed...
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<alkisg>
piet: it's an upstream issue about LDM_PRINTER_DEFAULT etc
13:32
That way your jetpipe would just work
13:32
But now it's a bug for fat clients, and it need to get fixed
13:32
<markit>
alkisg: mmmm big temptation to rename "insegnante" to "administrator" then, I'll do some test
13:33
alkisg: ehm, will that bug be backported to 12.04?
13:33
(or whatever bug will be discovered)
13:33
<alkisg>
markit: what bug? About jetpipe and fat clients?
13:33
No, I don't think so
13:34
That's why we're maintaining our own ppa
13:34
Only few bugs ever get backported to older Ubuntu releases...
13:34
<markit>
alkisg: so I could use yours as well? :)
13:34
<alkisg>
If someone wants to file an SRU, test the bug etc, then he has good chances for a backport
13:34
But it's not something automatic, you need to work on getting the bugs backported
13:35
markit: sure, we do support hundreds of schools here, so we're very careful of what we put in the PPA
13:35
But as I said, the LTSP version there cannot cleanly upgrade the 12.04 ltsp version
13:35* markit blindly trusts alkisg
13:36
<alkisg>
You should have added the ppa before installing ltsp
13:36
Now, you can purge ltsp and reinstall
13:36
<markit>
alkisg: so I just should remove the ltsp stuff and re-install? not a big deal...
13:36
<alkisg>
Or you can spend 10 mins to upgrade the configuration files
13:36
<markit>
ok, I'll test this either... your ppa is...?
13:36
<alkisg>
Yup, just be careful to erase everything ltsp-related, e.g. /var/lib/tftpboot, /etc/ltsp, and /etc/nbd-server
13:36
!greek-ppa
13:36
<ltsp>
Error: "greek-ppa" is not a valid command.
13:36
<alkisg>
!ppa
13:36
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'ppa', but I do know about these similar topics: 'sbalneav-ppa', 'alkisg-ppa'
13:36
<alkisg>
!alkisg-ppa
13:36
<ltsp>
alkisg-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/
13:37
<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-ppa
13:37
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
13:37
<markit>
thanks a lot
13:37
also epoptes will be updated there and not in the "official" repo, I guess
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13:38
<alkisg>
!learn greek-schools-ppa as https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
13:38
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
13:38
<alkisg>
epoptes is updated in its own PPA, and in the greek schools ppa as well
13:38
One newer version was backported to 12.04, but not all of them will
13:39
markit: e.g. the greek schools PPA also has a fixed unzip package, which works with windows.zip files that use special characters
13:39
It affects many languages, maybe it's more rare for italian since you only have a few non-english letters...
13:39* markit does not understand the word "Windows"
13:39
<alkisg>
Well, when your teachers complain that they can't open zip files, you'll understand :D
13:40
<markit>
lol, sure ;P
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<alkisg>
markit: here are the updated packages we ship for precise so far: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise
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(we tell teachers not to add other PPAs, so we copy x2go etc from other PPAs into ours)
13:47
Also, numlockx was broken in precise, so we filed a bug report in debian and then backported the fixed package, etc etc
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<bieb>
alkisg: what is the difference between HomeDirUmask=022 and Dir_Mode=0770? Dirmode is in etc/adduser.conf homedirumask is in the likewise-open registry (for AD authentication)
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<alkisg>
bieb: no idea, I haven't used adduser.conf nor likewise-open... ask in the channel, someone might know
13:53
<bieb>
alkisg: ltsp or ubuntu channel?
13:53
<alkisg>
Maybe ubuntu + likewise channels? Dunno, try and see..
13:54
<bieb>
thanks
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<sha_>
hey guys, is there a definitive guide for nbd-swap and ubuntu 12.04? i just realised that documentation for nbd-swap is completely messed up.
15:56
man 5 lts.conf talks about default port 9572, i have now changed it to 10809. i specified NBD_SWAP_SERVER though it should work without specifying it. now i'm reading that there is also SWAP_SERVER and SWAP_PORT etc... it just gets more confusing and nothing works
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<sha_>
got it.. i hope
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17:17
<highvoltage>
!scotty
17:17
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'scotty', but I do know about these similar topics: 'story', 'socat'
17:18
<highvoltage>
stgraber: do you remember who took the pics of the edubuntu council at bts last year?
17:19
<Hyperbyte>
I have an LTSP client which I configured to do rdesktop
17:20
When I attach a USB stick, it mounts it in /media/root/<volume name>/ automatically
17:20
Is this something LTSP or is this something Ubuntu?
17:22
<stgraber>
highvoltage: hmm, nope
17:23
<highvoltage>
mgariepy: didn't you have an issue with usb and rdesktop recently? ^^^
17:25
<||cw>
Hyperbyte: ltsp I think
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<mgariepy>
highvoltage, not really,
17:32
Hyperbyte, it's ltspfs that mounts the drive in /media/root/<volume name>
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<PhoenixSTF>
hey guys, my Investigation Cientific Center is willing to spend some money on hardware for a LTSP lab and development, I would like to have some recomendations on servers and stuff
17:38
<||cw>
lstp is entirely hardware agnostic. unless your looking for cpu/ram sizing advice, then it depends on the worklaod
17:39
<PhoenixSTF>
that would be a nice advice, for thin and fat clients
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<||cw>
fat clients won't take much server resources. I basically use fat clients, but they only rdesktop. the ltsp server is a 1GB ram 1 vcpu virtual machine and I hardly notice it's there
17:56
thin clients are going to depend what you run and how many clients. so, it depends
17:57
some ram sharing will happen with application, but probably not as much as you'd think
18:06
<vagrantc>
ram sharing used to be very effective, but now programs are poorly written :(
18:06
it started with netscape and staroffice/openoffice/libreoffice and others have caught the bad habits
18:07
netscape/mozilla/firefox
18:14
<||cw>
wonder how much of that is just how java and XUL work by default
18:14
XUL is basically interpreted, with lot of javascript. and most of the ram FF uses is for web page code/cache anyway
18:14
libraries is where most page sharing comes in
18:26
<PhoenixSTF>
Ok so any well loaded pc and memory will do the job
18:27
obviously server dedicated hardware is more efficient then desktop hardware, but does it pays off?
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18:44
<||cw>
efficient, maybe not, but reliable, yes
18:45
design more rigorous, QC process more strict, resulting in higher MTBF ratings
18:54
might be useful to start with hardware you have, or run a server in vbox on a desktop, with a few clients and get a feel for how it's going to scale.
18:55
hadrware these days is cheap enough that overkill likely won't be too expensive, but under doing it will be starting over, and that can be expensive
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<PhoenixSTF>
||cw, ty for the tips ;)
19:25
gota go
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cya
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