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Channel log from 19 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<aaron|feldman>
hi
01:36
does anyone know if I can safely comment out the entries for the workstations I'm not using ins /etc/hosts
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I've got a normal ltsp setup with 192.168.0.254 as the server
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I would like to comment out ws003 through ws253
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k, i'll try later, bye
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<muh2000>
i got an boot up problem with my client:
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sh: line1 /etc/rc.early_sysinit: no such file or directory
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any guesses ?
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<jammcq>
muh2000: what is your root-path set to in dhcpd.conf?
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<cliebow>
muh2000: you have a 2.6 kernel with an older ltsp?
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<jammcq>
either older LTSP or newer LTSP. Perhaphs he's instaleld Ubuntu's LTSP
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either way, i'd say his kernel doesn't match his ltsp
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<cliebow>
ive seen that error before 8~)
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<muh2000>
jammcq option root-path "192.168.88.1:/opt/ltsp/i386/";
09:02
it is ltsp 4.2
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<jammcq>
muh2000: do this: cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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<muh2000>
apt-get install ltsp-utils. from the console. no ubuntu
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jammcq file "version" ist N/A
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<jammcq>
huh?
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<muh2000>
it is not there
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<jammcq>
then you aren't using LTSP-4.2
09:03
ltsp-4.2 would have a file there
09:03
do this: ls -l /opt
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<muh2000>
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2006-11-19 02:13 ltsp
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<jammcq>
ok, now: ls -l /opt/ltsp
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<muh2000>
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-11-19 02:13 data
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drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 2006-11-19 02:14 i386
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 8192 2006-11-19 02:13 pkg_cache
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<cliebow>
hmmm
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<jammcq>
ok, now: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386
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<muh2000>
http://channels.debian.net/paste/4544
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<cliebow>
took the woids right out of my mouth..\\
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<jammcq>
that's NOT ltsp-4.2
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<muh2000>
hmmm i think then debian provides an old ltspadmin
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<jammcq>
could be
09:08
grab the ltsp-utils package from wiki.ltsp.org
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
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<cliebow>
8~)
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<jammcq>
ltsp-utils should be version 0.25
09:09
that's the latest
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<muh2000>
ok thank you :) version of the other ltsp-utils was 0.12 ^^
09:11
<jammcq>
wow
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<cliebow>
jammcq: i managed to get developers tools on mac the other day..what a pain..
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<jammcq>
wow, cool
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<cliebow>
and compilrd kdeedu3 for Trenton school..took all day
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i thought it would be cool to be able to set up a reg mac with services for ltsp..and even build a .pkg file for sais
09:16
same\
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ya know nfs tftp dhcp x
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<muh2000>
soooo sound doesnt work. :( what changes do i have to do ?
09:44
<cliebow>
muh2000:that is a little magic...better read the wiki pages on sound
09:44
we/th ey are working on a far better solution
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<muh2000>
cliebow like sound works out of box ?
09:45
The requested URL /ltsp-4.1-extras/ltsp-sound-1.0-0.2.tar.bz2 was not found on this server.
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<cliebow>
it certainly wil in ubuntu feisty...muekow
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not sure what is wrong with the url
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i donr know if i have a copy on my server
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<muh2000>
where is the lts.conf located ?
09:50
<cliebow>
in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
09:50
i have ltsp-sound.sh in my server
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in /etc/profile..cant remmeber if there is more to it
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muh2000:catch rjune..he must have a copy somewhere..
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<muh2000>
cliebow or is there a newer version? for 4.2?
10:00
and where do i find the bootlog of a terminal ? there has been some output of the esd but i couldnt read
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<cliebow>
from a shell on terminal
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<muh2000>
cliebow and how is the log file called ? i only see the logs of my server there
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<RMSELTech>
good morning! anyone else working this morning?
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<muh2000>
i get /dev/dsp errors path not found
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<muh2000>
hmmmm well this time there was no error o_O
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but i am still looking for the bootlog of the ltsp client
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<muh2000>
so where do i find the logs of the terminal boot up? dmesg etc only gives me the logs of my server which arent related in any way to ltsp
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages ?
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though you'll probably need to have remote syslogging enabled.
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<muh2000>
vagrantc only gnome delivers log into syslog.
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but dmesg or something doesnt
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<vagrantc>
you're not going to see the terminal's logs in dmesg output.
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<muh2000>
vagrantc is there any way to look up the boot log of a client ? there are two errors and i dont know what to look for when i cant see them...
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<vagrantc>
but if you configure syslogd for remote reception (i think "-r") and configure the clients to talk to the server, then you should see the client's messages in one of the files in /var/log
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<muh2000>
vagrantc and how do i configure the syslog.conf file for remote reception or the client for talking to the server ?!?
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: what linux distro?
11:31
<muh2000>
debian
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<vagrantc>
ah, good. my distro of choice :)
11:32
sarge, etch ?
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<muh2000>
sarge amd64
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<vagrantc>
LTSP 4.2 ?
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<muh2000>
yes
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<vagrantc>
ok... server-side configuration
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muh2000: do you have an /etc/default/syslogd ?
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<muh2000>
no
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: how about /etc/init.d/sysklogd ?
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<muh2000>
section "sysloged" here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting ?
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<vagrantc>
?
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<muh2000>
You have to edit the /etc/init.d/sysklogd script and around line 15, you should see a line that says SYSLOGD="-u syslog" You'll need to add a '-r', so it looks like this: SYSLOGD="-r -u syslog"
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<vagrantc>
yes.
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the '-u syslog' bit may not be needed on debian.
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<muh2000>
yes that worked
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<vagrantc>
you just need "-r"
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muh2000: invoke-rc.d sysklogd restart
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: in /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/lts.conf: SYSLOG_HOST=ip.of.your.server
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reboot a terminal, and look for the terminal's log messages in /var/log/syslog
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<muh2000>
logging worked without the entry in lts.conf
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but the problems werent logged ^^
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but in meanwhile i could read it a bit. something with ac97 not present.... :/
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<vagrantc>
that's a sound-related kernel module, it think.
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not necessary on all installations.
11:42
<muh2000>
hmmmm but sound doesnt work...
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: why can't you see the error messages?
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<muh2000>
i dont know they arent in the syslog file
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<vagrantc>
can you look at the screen while the thin-client boots?
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<muh2000>
yes. now i have the other "es-something couldnt something misc device..." the x related thing is to long to read in the short boot time. terminal is next to me
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<vagrantc>
you could try and disable X... do you have any SCREEN_NN entries in lts.conf ?
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<muh2000>
es 1371 cannot register misc device
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yes
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screen xx = startx
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<vagrantc>
change startx to shell
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that way, you should be able to use shift-UP_ARROW to scroll through the messages.
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<muh2000>
ok the longer error msg part is related to X
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vagrantc: the sound part i copied: http://nopaste.info/70e4058764.html
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<vagrantc>
no idea here. maybe someone else can help.
11:54
i mostly work with the soon-to-be ltsp 5.0 stuff.
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<muh2000>
ah ok, i wish there is a sound support out of the box :) (my smallest client will be used as a mediacenter. and ltsp ist perfekt for that :D)
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<vagrantc>
it might just take some fiddling with your hardware...
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<muh2000>
should i replace my sound card ?
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<vagrantc>
maybe.
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<muh2000>
sound blaster live 5.1 ok ?
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<vagrantc>
there's a "Sound" page on wiki.ltsp.org
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i don't really know ltsp 4.2 well enough to say what works and what doesn't.
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<muh2000>
when will be ltsp 5.0 be done?
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<vagrantc>
there's already partial implementations for debian and ubuntu
12:00
debian etch
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<muh2000>
hmmm i have to wait a few months till etch is stable :)
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<vagrantc>
i had meant to work on a sarge backport, but spent too much time working on etch for the sarge backport to work.
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in many ways, it's a better approach. for a debian system, we built a debian environment for ltsp. so you can configure things "the debian way" for the ltsp environment. and any software available in for debian is available for the ltsp environment.
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<muh2000>
hmmmm but other distros are left behind or ?
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<vagrantc>
each distro implements it's own ltsp, basically.
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ubuntu was the first to do it, and we adapted the work for debian pretty quickly.
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<Arauto>
how to load an other net driver for my thin-client???????
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<vagrantc>
allegedly, there's work on a fedora implementation... but it seems to be a secret project.
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and i know dberkholz and others are working on a gentoo implementation
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<muh2000>
^^
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome?topic=Ltsp5
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<muh2000>
:)
12:08
so i pluged in the sound blaster live
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the computer find that card
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<vagrantc>
cool.
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<muh2000>
but still no sound :( i thing i havent configured esd properly... and i am not sure what to change and where and wheather on my server or client or in /etc or/optltsp/i386/etc.......
12:14
yeah it works
12:14
changed back to the esd daemon
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now i am listening sound :)
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yeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh :D
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<daniQ>
cliebow?
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<muh2000>
hmmmm but video sound doesnt work yet
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: you'll have to configure each program to use esound, and/or call them with the esddsp command.
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<muh2000>
hmmmmm damn some apps dont give soudn options totem or vlc(only oss)
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<vagrantc>
use esddsp
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muh2000: there's vlc-plugin-esd
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i can't imagine totem wouldn't work with esd.
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<muh2000>
vagrantc dont know but the totem audio section is not really a something where you could change something important
12:33* vagrantc would be surprised that totem doesn't support esound by default
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<muh2000>
ok xine works
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but gnome panel doesnt load lol
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<muh2000>
i think i have to reboot the server
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<vagrantc>
now that ltsp in debian is nearly frozen, maybe i should try and work on some new features.... like pulseaudio.
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<muh2000>
a technical quastion. is ltsp a thin or a thick client system. i mean is the server the complete resource for the clients or do the client use local resources like cpu power etc ?
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or both depending on the configuration?
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<vagrantc>
both depending on the configuration
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<vagrantc>
though usually it's more of a thin-client
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i.e. the server does almost all of the work
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<muh2000>
ok
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<PMantis>
rjune, ping
16:54* vagrantc cheers
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<vagrantc>
just got a (partial) spanish translation for ltsp.
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should be able to get it into etch.
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<cliebow>
GodFather:Hey!!
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<PMantis>
Hmmm, anyone interested in compiling a sparc compliant LTSP?
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Cheap, Cheap
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http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=43&osCsid=75b3d44d7f9e8ef613e2bcaab9994121
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<vagrantc>
i tested out support for sparc in the debian's ltsp muekow/5.0 packages, but it has been a while.
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and i think ogra has his hands on one of the sunray's
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just need a sun machine to build the initial chroot.
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ogra: this makes me think we should make a .udeb for cross-architecture installs... you could use the debian-installer netboot to get the initial install, and then mount a writeable NFS share to install into.
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or tweak ltsp-client-builder to work in that mode.
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<SatanTwister>
Hi I'm having trouble getting the dhcp server up. I'm doing the ltsp install by the gentoo.org ltsp guide but when starting dhcp daemon I get errors "line xx: expecting a parameter or declaration" in my kernel log. Weird thing is the line number corresponds to commented line if I check it out with nano. I have copy/pasted the dhcd.conf from gentoo guide and changed the ip:s to mine
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*dhcpd.conf
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<jammcq>
we need to see your dhcpd.conf file, can you email it to me at jam@Ltsp.org ?
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<SatanTwister>
ok
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<vagrantc>
no pastebot? :(
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<jammcq>
the normal ltsp pastebot is down, and I don't remember the other ones
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<SatanTwister>
sent finally :9
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<jammcq>
what line are you having the error at?
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<SatanTwister>
multiple let me check again
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line 0,5,9,17,21,23
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<jammcq>
error at line 0 ?
18:12
doesn't sound right to me
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<SatanTwister>
well that's what kernel log says :p
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<jammcq>
that doesn't make sense
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<SatanTwister>
yeah I starting to think my system is somehow borked
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could be my hardware tho the linux box is quite old
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<jammcq>
i've never seen hardware cause an error like this
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<SatanTwister>
let me copy paste the kernel log line
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Nov 20 01:21:36 metalgear dhcpd: /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf line 0: expecting a parameter or declaration
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<jammcq>
very strange
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<SatanTwister>
yup before this I had problems with nfs but I got it up eventually
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was getting errors that according to searches at gentoo forums indicated I didn't have nfs support in my kernel
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<cliebow>
ive used pastebin.net
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<rjune>
PMantis: pong
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<PMantis>
hey hey
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<rjune>
sup?
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<cliebow>
PMantis..rjune..you guys done anything with pulseaudio?
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<SatanTwister>
well I'm calling it
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<PMantis>
rjune,
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md2 : active raid1 hda3[2](F) hdc3[1]
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155396672 blocks [2/1] [_U]
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<rjune>
cliebow: I haven't
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<PMantis>
rjune, kids in bed now. :) So, you were right.... this time hda is listed first, and the (F) is next to it... so it *DOES* indicate which drive failed.
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<rjune>
neat
19:23
good to know
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<PMantis>
rjune, On a related note... I tested this drive with the seagate util... says it's fine.
19:23
Guess I'll call them for an RMA and see what they say.
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<rjune>
good luck with that
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<rjune>
Gadi !
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<Gadi>
hey, rjune
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<rjune>
Gadi: !!!!
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<aaron|feldman>
hi all
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