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Channel log from 23 March 2011   (all times are UTC)

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05:08
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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05:23
<highvoltage>
good morning mgariepy
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<xavier_brochard>
hello, on a fresh ltsp squeeze KDE4 install, I have some users unable to login. There were able to yesterday. The xsession-error file indicate that the DISPLAY variable is not set
06:11
xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable / xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:13.0' / $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server.
06:13
any idea? clients are Artec thincans and diskless PC
06:24
<alkisg>
can you launch an xterm session?
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<xavier_brochard>
hi alkis. I didn't try because I'm not there, one user could log in though.
06:34
<cliebow>
Gadi: you around?
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06:51
<xavier_brochard>
any idea why users cant login after reboot of the server (fresh squeeze install)?
06:59
<evil_root>
when they try to log in... do they get like "no response from server" and then the ldm reloads? xavier_brochard
07:01
<xavier_brochard>
@evil_root: no. One user was able to login but the others not.
07:02
<evil_root>
can you try to ssh to the server as one of those users and see if it gives you any errors or warnings?
07:03
<xavier_brochard>
I will. I have to quit and go there. thanks.
07:03
<evil_root>
np
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<jtwood>
Hello all. Just a quick question about options available for ltsp-build-client.conf in Ubuntu - I would like to be able to set chroot names in order to build different thin/fat client images for testing
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<evil_root>
you can put what ever you want for the chroot name jtwood
07:13
<jtwood>
Yeah, can't seem to get it to stick...seems to default to the arch
07:13
in the config CHROOT=name?
07:13
<evil_root>
i think that should work, i always build from the comand like though so i can say for 100%
07:14
command line* though
07:14
<jtwood>
yeah, I am just playing around with option upon option...much easier to use the config file if I could figure the thing out
07:15
it seems that some options work and others don't...and unfortunately I haven't found much about it...other than some options work in it... :)
07:15
<evil_root>
lol
07:16
<jtwood>
Yeah...I know arch=, base= works...tried chroot= and root= with no luck...
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<msignor_work>
Can anyone suggest the best way for me to install / compile a non-package in my chroot?
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<jtwood>
Also, its not a huge deal, kind of annoying, but the LDM screen spans both monitors of my dual display - anyway to toss it on one or the other?
07:31
<evil_root>
lol i am wondering that my self jtwood
07:32
<Gadi>
jtwood: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
07:32
<jtwood>
Ah...Gadi to the rescue again!
07:33
<Gadi>
cliebow: present
07:33
<jtwood>
Hey, if you got a second - something else simple - I could use command line, but I like using config files
07:34
How do you set the chroot name in a Ubuntu config file for ltsp-build-client?
07:34
<cliebow>
Gadi:No worried...got it worked out
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07:35
<Gadi>
--chroot set the name of the chroot
07:35
oh you want in the config file
07:36
<jtwood>
yeah...just wondered in the ltsp-build-client.conf how to set it...tried CHROOT=name CHROOT="name" ROOT=name, etc...always defaults to arch
07:36
Its no biggie...just trying to make life easier for the next guy that has to look at my notes and configs
07:37
or myself in a year when I can't remember what I did
07:37
Gadi: to be honest...sometimes I can't remember tomorrow what I did today! :D
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07:40
<Gadi>
jtwood: I don't think you can
07:40
<jtwood>
Gotchya...you can set base directories and such so I just wondered...
07:40
<Gadi>
if [ -n "$option_chroot_value" ]; then
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CHROOT="$option_chroot_value"
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else
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CHROOT="$ARCH"
07:40
fi
07:41
looks like if you don't set the option, it sets it to arch
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<jtwood>
Yeah, I see that
07:44
I'll just set different base directories for now...it'll keep my sanity without haveing to constantly rename and move stuff
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07:45
<jtwood>
The config file is a lifesaver though...when you are trying to test out different builds...have half a dozen clients tied into my KVM -- :)
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07:51
<sniki-tiki>
highvoltage , vagrantc : http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ltsp-logo-license. CC-BY-SA 3.0 Hope this helps.
07:51
highvoltage , vagrantc : * http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ltsp-logo-license.html CC-BY-SA 3.0 Hope this helps.
07:52
<highvoltage>
sniki-tiki: yay!
07:56
<sniki-tiki>
signing off now, highvoltage please make sure vagrantc sees that. have a great day!
07:56
<highvoltage>
sniki-tiki: will do, you too!
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<xavier_brochard>
I think I solved my problem (users unable to login but one): I have a 229GB xsessionerror file in my personal session (created in 1 day only!) and device is full .
08:00
I should setup a logrotate on this!
08:05
<alkisg>
What filled it?
08:06
<xavier_brochard>
I don't know yet I'm currently moving it on a spare disk - it takes time (file is 269GB)
08:07
<NeonLicht>
tail it
08:09
<xavier_brochard>
looks like it is nepomuk fault! while I disabled it it. It write a bunch of "/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder] QMutex::lock(): cv wait failure: Argument invalide" lines
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<Roasted>
life's good when you stumble across a box of RAM you forgot you had when deploying bare minimal hardware fat clients.
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<knipwim>
what does ltsp-open do ?
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11:08
<trey_>
I just wanted to drop in and say thank you to everyone in here who has ever helped me and who make LTSP what it is
11:09
I just had the oldest server in our network die, which happened to be hosting LTSP for thin clients. However I had just built LTSP on a new fancy server for Fat clients. Perfect timing for a server to die :)
11:10
Roasted: ping , you asked if I had a deployed fat client setup, I didn't yesterday but I do now :)
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<highvoltage>
win 21
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: thank you again for your help, deployed the fat client solution today
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12:02
<Gadi>
damn... this place is ripe for yo mamma's thin client's so fat jokes these days...
12:02
where's sbalneav?
12:02
;)
12:03
<thunsucker>
lol
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13:17
<knipwim>
can anyone explain how ltsp-remoteapps works?
13:17
i couldn't find any documentation
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13:35
<mgariepy>
knipwim, ltsp-remoteapps mount a shared directory between the thin client and the applications server
13:36
look if the the file passed to ltsp-open is accessible on the server, if not it copies it to the shared directory then launch xdg-open on the applications serveur.
13:37
s/serveur/server
13:39
knipwim, if you want to talk about it more, i'll be here tomorrow betwwen 8h00 AM and 4h00 PM GTM -5.
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<jtwood>
So, about fat clients...maybe somewhere along the way I got confused...but I should be able to build a fat client image, network boot it, and applications will utilize the client memory and ram, correct?
13:52
The good news is that everything is working except the utilize client ram and cpu part... :)
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<jtwood>
So I figure I am doing something wrong- ltsp-build-client --fat-client - are there other settings I need to change as well?
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<alkisg>
jtwood: login on a client, open a terminal, and run: hostname
14:05
Is that "ltsp123" or is it the name of the server?
14:06
<jtwood>
the host name is the server
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14:07
<alkisg>
jtwood: ok, so it's a thin client.
14:07
distro/version?
14:07
<jtwood>
Ubuntu 10.04.2
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<alkisg>
on that terminal (or on the server): ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
14:08
ls -l /opt/ltsp/images
14:08
What do those return?
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14:10
<jtwood>
Okay, for the frist directory - I don't have an i386 directory under /opt/ltsp
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<alkisg>
OK, in your chroot then, wherever that is
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14:11
<jtwood>
I listed the contents of the ltsp_fat_chroot on the chroot I am using and came up with nothing
14:11
<alkisg>
Where did you put your fat chroot?
14:12
$ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
14:12
FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS='ubuntu-desktop'
14:12
If you don't have anything there, it's probably not a valid fat chroot
14:12
<jtwood>
yeah....
14:12
<alkisg>
What's the size of the nbd image?
14:13
<jtwood>
it has the FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS LINE
14:13
<alkisg>
ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img - whatever your path is
14:13
If possible, paste the contents here instead of describing them
14:15
<jtwood>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1756073984 2011-03-23 16:06 /opt/ltsp/images/fc-amd64.img
14:15
<alkisg>
That's big enough to be a fat image
14:16
And the contents of the cat command?
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$ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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(amd64, etc etc)
14:16
<jtwood>
FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS='ubuntu-desktop'
14:18
Sorry, forgot how to use putty...spoiled by my KVMs... ;)
14:18
<alkisg>
(11:11:33 PM) jtwood: I listed the contents of the ltsp_fat_chroot on the chroot I am using and came up with nothing ==> so that was incorrect?
14:18
OK, moving on. How much RAM does your client have?
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14:18
<jtwood>
2GB
14:18
<alkisg>
On the client, on the gnome-terminal that you've opened, run this:
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ltsp-localapps xterm
14:18
Did an xterm open?
14:18
<jtwood>
yeah
14:18
<alkisg>
OK, on that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
14:18
And put the results to pastebin
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14:19
<jtwood>
it actually gave me nothing
14:19
<alkisg>
So you don't have an lts.conf, correct?
14:19
<jtwood>
nope
14:20
<alkisg>
Again on that xterm: grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
14:20
That's really 2 Gb? (just checking)
14:21
<jtwood>
1797332kB
14:21
<alkisg>
Nice. And: cat /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
14:21
again FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS='ubuntu-desktop'?
14:22
<jtwood>
on the xterm? no such file or directory
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<alkisg>
So you're probably sending the wrong nbd image to the client
14:23
Check /etc/inetd.conf on the server, your dhcpd.conf, and your arch/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<jtwood>
Okay...I bet I am too...
14:23
I didn't even think of changing it in the dhcp.conf
14:23
I feel like a fool...give me a minute
14:23
<alkisg>
Nah it's too much duplicated info to remember it all
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14:26
<jtwood>
Alkisg: You'll love this oen...it looks like it was in ined.conf...but in my infinite wisdom today, I sent a reboot command from the thin client to the server! HAHA
14:26
<alkisg>
Hehe
14:27
Hope it wasn't on production
14:27
<jtwood>
Nope
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14:27
<jtwood>
Thankfully...that would get me too many calls!
14:28
I'll let you know when I get everything booted back up...but I have a feeling that was it...I ran into it before and found it myself, but I slept since
14:38
It works
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<roasted>
Question for you guys. If I power up 30 fat clients at once, is it to be expected that some of them may not boot properly? I was getting some of them hanging at the Edubuntu screen. Maybe 4 or 5. But if I reboot them they fire up just fine. Is booting them up at the same time (30) a bad idea or should I space them out?
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15:33
<abeehc>
you see any indicate the network link is saturateD?
15:35
<roasted>
It's very doubtful, because when I tested it, nobody else was in the building.....
15:35
They're on a dedicated switch too, so it's not hopping around from switch to switch to closet to closet, etc.
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<abeehc>
gigabit i ahve to assume
15:39
i don't mean other people saturating it
15:39
i mean rebooting 30 clients should and could saturate the link to the server
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<roasted>
I was just curious if 30 clients that start at the SAME time should work or not
15:39
ah okay
15:39
<abeehc>
i offset my reboots a bit
15:39
<roasted>
I was just curious if that was expected
15:39
:)
15:39
<abeehc>
i've seen my box get rocked if poeple all reboot at the same time
15:39
then again my server isn't super good and the vmware nic drivers also blow
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<abeehc>
i personaly would sort of expect a bit more stress on the server rebooting that many
15:40
<roasted>
it might also help if I take both gigabit NIC's and use them
15:40
<abeehc>
but for them to actually timeout the network would have to be suffering
15:40
<roasted>
right now I'm only using one
15:40
well they might end up firing up if I let them run, but I got inpatient and I was like they should have loaded by now...
15:41
cause th eother 25 are booted up and good to go
15:41
yet the other 5 or so kinda sit around for a while
15:41
I let them go for 3-4 minutes, no dice. I reboot, bam. works.
15:41
just wanted tomake sure if that was expected. and like Isaid these are fat clients (not sure if theyre that different than thin clients with boot time)
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<alkisg>
Roasted: no, firing up 30 clients at the same time shouldn't cause you any problems. See if this affects you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
21:53
If your 2 nics are plain pci then it won't help, the pci bus only has about 1 gb bandwidth anyway
21:53
If they're pci-e, sure, try bonding them, it'll double your client disk speed
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