IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

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07:50
<dobber>
i'm thinking of installing a new ltsp server
07:51
what do you sugest, sqeezy, oneiric or install from source ?
07:52
or wheezy
07:55
I think I prefer a debian squeeze with ltsp from source
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08:04
<alkisg>
dobber: wheezy is a development version, so I'm not sure if I'd want that in a production server. Other than that, LTSP is more mature in it.
08:05
Don't use ltsp from source on squeeze; use the backports
08:06
<dobber>
apt-get -t squeeze-backports install ltsp-server-standalone
08:07
and i'll get rid of my fat clients
08:08
<alkisg>
Why?
08:10
<dobber>
hardware issues mostly
08:11
since i switched, my co-workers are bugging me with problems
08:11
<alkisg>
Ah, you mean local installations, not LTSP fat clients, ok.
08:11
<dobber>
i dont use local installations for almost 3 yearz
08:12
i used thin clients for most of the time, and this december i switched to fat clients
08:12
then the problems started
08:12
<alkisg>
I haven't heard of any hardware problems affecting fat clients and not thin clients
08:13
<dobber>
not enough ram is one
08:13
my main problem is that it's too hard to debug
08:13
<alkisg>
...ok the fat clients requirements of course are not the same as the thin client requirements
08:14
They're the same as local installations
08:14
<dobber>
yes
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10:01
<raifal>
hello
10:02
i've problem implementing ltsp-cluster
10:02
i've setup 2 app server, say ip 10.0.0.101 and 10.0.0.102
10:03
which 10.0.0.101 also as root server
10:03
my problem is that thin client only use 10.0.0.101 as their app server
10:04
when i check lbs log i saw "Cannot retrieve node 'app-server2', error:<class 'socket.timeout'>"
10:04
fyi i can telnet app-server2 8000
10:20
nvm, looks like a cable problem @_@
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12:03
<markit>
hi alkisg, I've a big problem with LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS that I do need be able to pass more dirs
12:03
like /srv and /etc/kde4 (where global settings are defined)
12:03
I'm trying with something like LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/srv, /etc/kde4, /mydir but seem not to work
12:03
<alkisg>
Hi markit, I don't have much time now, but try without the commas
12:03
<markit>
maybe better skip spaces? who knows...
12:04
alkisg: no problem, just would love, if is a bug or limitation, be fixed for 12.04
12:04
I'll report you back
12:04
thanks a lot
12:04
<alkisg>
markit:
12:04
I don't think there will be any more ltsp uploads for 12.04
12:04
You started testing a bit too late :)
12:04
<markit>
yes, my bad
12:05
unfortunately is the best I was able to do
12:05
<alkisg>
markit: you can also use FSTAB_0 to 9
12:05
To mount any dirs you want with nfs
12:05
<markit>
I'll have a look if desperate :)
12:05
LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS mounts with ssh ?
12:05
<alkisg>
(03:03:49 μμ) markit: maybe better skip spaces? who knows... ==> yes I just looked at the code, try that
12:06
Leave the commas, remove spaces
12:09
<markit>
alkisg: works, thanks a lot (even if I've a different trouble now, but I'll try to solve on my own).
12:09
btw I'll have a look at the official doc and fix it if wrong
12:10
<alkisg>
If the manpage is wrong, file a bug report in upstream ltsp
12:10
!ltsp-bug
12:10
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
12:13
<markit>
alkisg: well, man page talks about coma, maybe the code should be more friendly. Even if I've seen create directories with Dolphin (file manager of kde) with a heading space (horror!!!) so maybe is a legitimate dir name
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12:31
<markit>
mmm in fat chroot I've /etc/kde4/kdm, I want to mount /etc/kde4 of the server, but seems to fail, is it because in chroot /etc/kde4 has a subdir?
12:31
<zamba>
chrome works poorly in ltsp, yeah?
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12:35
<markit>
mmm subdir should not be an issue
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12:49
<markit>
mm it is with sshfs
12:50
"fuse: mountpoint is not empty" "fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option"
12:50
so ltsp should use "noempty" option by default, OMHO
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13:18
<alkisg>
!ltsp-bug | echo markit:
13:18
<ltsp>
markit: ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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<alkisg>
:)
13:19
<markit>
alkisg: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/975128
13:19
;P
13:19
<alkisg>
:D
13:19
<markit>
you teach, I learn (slowly but steadely ;P)
13:19
<alkisg>
zamba: on thin clients without localapps or fat clients, yes, it does have some performance problems
13:20
<markit>
alkisg: btw, for curiosity, where is the code that manages the LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS stuff? is it a script? have to git ltsp source or is in my system?
13:20
<alkisg>
komunista: I think epoptes has 17 untraslated messages, you might want to have a look to have it for precise
13:20
markit: X01-localapps
13:20
In your chroot /usr/share/ldm/rc.d
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<komunista>
alkisg: thanks, when is release planned?
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<alkisg>
komunista: I'll do a last upload with just translations before precise's feature freeze, in a few days
13:21
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
13:21
Maybe April 10th
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<komunista>
OK, I will take look on translation latter in this weekend
13:24
<ball>
Gah, I think Outlook froze again. :-(
13:25
<alkisg>
komunista: ty :)
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<||cw>
know of any efforts to add windows client support to epoptes?
13:53
doens't looks that hard really
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14:02
<markit>
||cw: I hope never will
14:02
so we have something better than win world
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<||cw>
heh
14:03
well, the server would still be linux, and there are commercial packages that can do that for windows
14:03
<markit>
that's not a way to introduce foss to people
14:03
they will never be free this way, only save money for further M$ licenses
14:04
if only foss progarm, except few, would no run on MSWin...
14:04
we could show a lot of good software they can have switching enterely to FOSS
14:04
current situation is that M$ has all foss (more or less) + all proprietary
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<||cw>
something like epoptes isn't going to be enough.
14:04
<markit>
so the perception is that with GNU/Linux you have much less, no more
14:05
||cw: is a good step forward :)
14:05
<||cw>
cad, illustration, and business accounting are what needs worked on
14:05
<markit>
let's produce foss ones
14:05
<||cw>
no it isn't. it's a sysadmin/teacher tool
14:05
<markit>
yep, but school will count about netschool cost or epoptes
14:05
and since epoptes runs on GNU, they will pick GNU
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otherwise they pick up windows with one more reason to do so
14:06
I'm so sad they are porting kde-edu to windows
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then I will have no more argument for GNU
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<||cw>
I'm not, more market for kde-edu!
14:07
<markit>
market? who cares?
14:07
the goal is freedom, not market
14:07
and win people use it as "freeware", just cheap
14:07
<||cw>
market == more eyes == more developers get interested
14:07
<markit>
M$ devs? lol
14:08
they want to use C#
14:08
and M$ Studio
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<||cw>
you have a very narrow view
14:08
<markit>
me? :)
14:08
<||cw>
I cut my teeth on visual basic, I exapanded, why do you think they can't?
14:09
<markit>
because M$ world is much wider... why dev for GNU? as you stated, in win you have all you want
14:09
also free software ported to it
14:09
so better concentrate to win
14:09
and avoid "portability"
14:09
is just a pain in the ass
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<||cw>
foss works best when it doens't matter what the OS is that it runs on. Firefox has proved this pretty well. I'm certain Firefox and mozilla would have died long ago if they didn't have a windows port
14:10
<markit>
I said, with some exceptions
14:10
one is ff, the other libreoffice
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and maybe few
14:10
||cw: maybe you should start to convince schools to use GNU/linux
14:10
<||cw>
I don't think there's any exception. lets make the OS irrelevant.
14:10
<markit>
present all the programs you have
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and reply to the objections "by that works on our beloved windows too..."
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||cw: if os is irrelevant, stay with already installed M$win is convenient
14:11
and makes no one aware that PC is not windows
14:11
<||cw>
right now it's NOT irrelevant, I wish it were
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<markit>
and that the Freedom is a real important (fundamental) problem
14:12
||cw: with "the cloud" will be irrelevant, but then FOSS will be dead
14:12
and no one will be anymore free in it's computation
14:12
<||cw>
Freedom means choice.
14:12
the cloud is bullshit
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<markit>
yes, you are free of eat poison
14:12
but don't want school to give poison to children
14:13
||cw: apple is moving to schools, iPad will be everywhere
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and "maket" proprietary programs will too
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also proprietary DRM content
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we are doomed
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<||cw>
apple has always been strong in schools
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<markit>
btw, I've to do some more tests and I'm in a hurry
14:14
global kde setttings seem broken with fat or 12.04
14:14
some of them, actually
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19:48
<markit>
hi, anyone knows how disable globally the cache usage of firefox?
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<Hyperbyte>
markit, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Lock_Prefs
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: I know, but was able with 3.6, not with recent versions that seem to ignore setups
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and googling for a specific version is impossible, they released too many
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so I'm asking if someone know exactly how to do with i.e. 11.x
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<Hyperbyte>
markit, seems like you'd better ask over at irc.mozilla.org
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<alkisg>
markit: strace -e trace-file firefox 2>&1 | grep -i <part of the filename>
20:21
That will tell you where firefox looks for a preferences file
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<markit>
ubufox is the key, I suppose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/810299
20:58
mm /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js does not work either
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<markit>
depressing... a trivial thing like setting the default homepage is becoming a nightmare
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21:42
<Hyperbyte>
markit, I actually run a script during user login, which modifies prefs.js
21:42
Or rather ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/prefs.js
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<markit>
I consider this an hack, but thanks for the suggestion
21:43
I could try purge ubufox too
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but I've the bad feeling that I'm fighting against a wrong vision of GNU/Linux
21:44
<Hyperbyte>
markit, you consider it a hack, I consider it very useful and very clean
21:44
<markit>
I mean, you should be able to do systemwide settings without read all the source code or become mad
21:44
<Hyperbyte>
I have certain settings in Thunderbird (which also uses the prefs.js system) which I need to set according to a users' profile
21:44
<markit>
Hyperbyte: GNU is a multiuse, setting system wide behaviour should be a basic stuff
21:45
Hyperbyte: I'm not against your solution for you, just if I will adopt, was because I had to surrender to the "right clean way"
21:45
<Hyperbyte>
markit, point taken.
21:46
I still think you need to be turning to the Mozilla people for help, not LTSP.
21:46
Or #ubuntu even maybe.
21:46
<markit>
I'm already in #firefox, only suggestion has been of remove ubufox (that I'm doing right now)
21:46
<||cw>
be nice if that person shared what they found after they "dug deeper into ubuufox"
21:47
<markit>
but this is an "half solution", means that canonical has broken my ability to do such settings
21:47
||cw: sorry, what do you mean?
21:47
<||cw>
on the link you posted
21:47
he never said what the solution was
21:48
<markit>
:) ssssshhh is a secret! ;P
21:48
<Hyperbyte>
And I bet markit will find the solution and append it to that bug. ;-)
21:58
<markit>
mm removing ubufox makes ff show "first run" animation but not the home I want
21:58
nor if I re-run it
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: ||cw well, he was right, there is a convulted way to set homepage that IS descripted in /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js
22:20
in the comment
22:20
just "unbelivable"
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and seems just for homepage... cache settings (the two I need) are only partially taken
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<vagrantc>
firefox is so ugly to configure system-wide defaults :(
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<markit>
I've found a BAD solution
22:39
if you use the settings (options) in firefox
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you should change: pref("browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled", false);
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and
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pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0);
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but if you put those in /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js
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only the former is got!!!
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you can't change the size of the cache, sigh
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but you can set
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pref("browser.cache.disk.enabled", false);
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so cache is not used, but you have no idea from the user interface
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you could become mad changing visually size and nothing takes effect
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really fullish
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fulish
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well, mad :)
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