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Channel log from 2 December 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<alex_21>
Hi, I'm back with no luck on my LTSP
00:06
And the Netvista
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<SSlater>
G'day. Got a question about NICs for old hardware. Anyone able to help?
02:42
<johnny>
not a good time for most
02:42
it's 3:42am here.. bought to head to bed
02:42
try again in a few hours
02:42
when the europeans might be alive
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<generalsnus>
so.. where can i set a skeleton/profile template for new users? i want to remove stuff on the panel/set wallpaper etc... so they cant change it again
02:43
<johnny>
generalsnus, that tool would be sabayon.. except it has some bugs that make it more difficult to do such things
02:43
maybe one day i'll afford to be able to work on it
02:43
nobody seems to care enough to make it worth feeding me :)
02:44
i just don't have the time to devote to it otherwise .. too broke for that
02:44
<cyberorg>
generalsnus, for gnome this would help little http://opseast.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/sledgnome-desktop-lockdown/
02:44
hi johnny :)
02:45
<johnny>
hello.. and goodbye :)
02:45
<generalsnus>
using xfce here tho.. to ease the load
02:45
<johnny>
then no
02:45
there is no tool
02:45
that i've heard of
02:46
you'd have to do it manually by setting privilegs and whatnot
02:47
<generalsnus>
ok.. so its not possible to make a "default desktop" for the users at all?
02:48
what about only lock down the change of wallpaper?
02:49
hm.. what config files and such.. holds the panel and wallpaper config for xubuntu?
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<johnny>
generalsnus, you'll have to ask the xfce people
02:57
you're pretty well on your own in this crowd
02:57
altho we would love to have your results
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<Appiah>
How do I enable NDB Swap on LTSP5 and how can I easily see that its working with my local apps?
03:39
<cyberorg>
Appiah, it is auto enabled if your RAM is below required
03:42
<Appiah>
how can see that's its being used?
03:42
and how can I bigger the swap?
03:43
<cyberorg>
Appiah, /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf on the server
03:43
if it is used some files should turn up in /var/lib/ltsp/swapfiles/
03:44
<Appiah>
ah ok
03:44
dont even have that directory
03:44
;)
03:45
<cyberorg>
also nbd-server process running that are serving files from that folder as swap
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<Appiah>
you sure it should be /var/lib/ltsp/swapfiles ?
03:51
i did a SIZE=256 just to try in /etc/ltsp/ndbswapd.conf
03:51
nbdswapd.conf*
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<cyberorg>
Appiah, also NBD_SWAP = True in lts.conf
04:07
<Appiah>
Ye I did that
04:09
<cyberorg>
Appiah, this is explained a bit in new ltsp docs too (see topic)
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<Appiah>
oh
04:13
oki it's working!
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<talntid>
hi all.
04:53
any student-control-panel users here?
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<talntid>
dumdedum
05:24
everyone's asleep, eh?
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<jstephan>
zZzzzZZZzz
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<Appiah>
Has anyone set global settings on firefox 3.* on LTSP5 ?
05:42
I tried editing almost all .js files I could find just to see if a newly created user would get does settings
05:42
none some to have an effect
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<jackli>
hi,ogra
05:49
I run iTALC master interface in the thin-client.but not ok.
05:50
It reports auth key error or ica service not running.
05:50
<ogra>
as i said yesterday, i dont have much knowledge about italc :) (i used it exactly three times for testing sponsored packages for stgraber )
05:51
you need to talk to him
05:51
<jackli>
but he did not join the topic.
05:52
How can I invite him successfully?
05:52
<ogra>
he is on a US timezone (well canadian)
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<ogra>
so you need to wait until the sun comes up at this part of the world i guess :)
05:53
<jackli>
:)
05:53
<ogra>
people have this bad habit of sleeping in arts of their day ;)
05:53
*parts
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<jackli>
he,he
06:00
anyone else.who is familiar with iTALC?
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<cyberorg>
jackli, we use almost similar package to stgraber's nothing special requires to be setup http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/iTALC
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<cyberorg>
clients are all automatically detected, we dont install anything in ltsp chroot
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<jackli>
I use ubuntu 8.10 and Now I want to make my iTALC master can detect the thin-clients automaticly.
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<cyberorg>
jackli, just run start-ica and italc-launcher on the server as root
06:14
<jackli>
cyberorg:did you run iTALC under the thin-client?
06:15
<cyberorg>
jackli, use italc-launcher script to start italc, as i said we dont install anything in thin-client image, so everything is running on the server
06:15
add users to required groups to get access to italc
06:15
<talntid>
italc is kindof like the thin-client-manager, right?
06:16
<cyberorg>
autodetection will work only when using wrapper scripts mentioned above, they have all the avahi magic
06:16
<jackli>
cyberorg: Yestoday,someone told me to run iTALC in the thin-client.and I did it.but It didnt ok.
06:17
Now in the server,I need to add the thin client manually.
06:17
so it's not convient.
06:17
I did not use opensuse.
06:17
<cyberorg>
jackli, let me know what happens when you run start-ica and italc-launcher
06:18
<jackli>
cyberorg:ok
06:18
<talntid>
on student manager, it doesn't connect to the vncserver, because i have a password set on the x11vncserver that loads on startup.. how do i tell student manager to use that password?
06:19
<jackli>
cyberorg:Do you know or use ubuntu 8.10?
06:19
<cyberorg>
jackli, it would be same
06:19
<jackli>
cyberorg:maybe.
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<ogra>
talntid, use italc
06:20
<talntid>
ok, i'll look it up. any documentation you recommend? I'm on Ubuntu
06:20
<cyberorg>
hi ogra :)
06:20
<ogra>
talntid, the vnc part of thin-client-manager doesnt work properly ... you can use it to control processes and send messages etc, but vnc isnt really working
06:20
<talntid>
italc-master ?
06:20
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
06:21
<cyberorg>
jackli, got those things running on the server?
06:21
<jackli>
cyberorg:I installed the iTALC on the server.and when we logon,it runs the ica-laucher script.
06:21
<ogra>
cyberorg, he has, but hos classroom gets overwritten on each startup
06:21
*his
06:22
<cyberorg>
ogra, he is manually adding the clients, it is not required now
06:22
<jackli>
cyberorg:I can run iTALC master on the server.
06:22
<cyberorg>
jackli, run italc-launcher as root, you should have all the clients automatically
06:22
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, i dont know enough about italc to be of help here
06:22
<talntid>
so do I need to install it on the server, even though I don't sit at the server for administration?
06:22
can I install it on my ubuntu desktop, that I use for admin?
06:23
<jackli>
cyberorg:Yes,I run the ital-launcher.
06:23
<talntid>
or does it need to be on the ltsp server?
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<ogra>
talntid, you need to copy the keys and have direct access to the network segment your clients run on afaik
06:23
<talntid>
what keys? ssh keys?
06:23
<ogra>
(i.e. no router inbetween)
06:23
<talntid>
i'm directly on the network
06:23
<ogra>
see the doc
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the "multiple servers" section
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<jackli>
cyberorg:but it cannot detect the thin-client auto.
06:24
<cyberorg>
jackli, how are you starting ica on the client?
06:25
<jackli>
cyberorg:I did nothing,just login as normal userid.
06:25
<cyberorg>
jackli, you have installed italc-client inside the client chroot?
06:26
<jackli>
cyberorg:no
06:26
<cyberorg>
ok, then it should work out of box, i'd say what ogra said, wait for stgraber :)
06:27
<jackli>
cyberorg:at the begining,I install italc-client in the chroot,and then ltsp-update-image.
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<jackli>
but it doesn't work.so I apt-get remove italc-client.
06:27
<cyberorg>
jackli, that is another way of running client, but is not required
06:28
<ogra>
well, depends what you want :)
06:28
if you install "in-chroot" it will allow you t manage the clients if nobody is logged in (shutdown, reboot etc)
06:28
<jackli>
cyberorg:any advices?
06:29
<cyberorg>
ogra, right, that is one advantage
06:29
<ogra>
if you install both apps on the server it will only allow you to manage logged in users
06:29
<talntid>
says the italc service is not running, but the documentation for it is for Windows?
06:29
<cyberorg>
jackli, nopes, your setup is alright, wait for stgraber he should be around soon
06:29
<ogra>
talntid, you installed the packages as described in the doc i gave you ?
06:29
<talntid>
yes
06:29
<ogra>
talntid, is a user logged in on a thin client ?
06:30
<talntid>
yes
06:30
<jackli>
cyberorg:I chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and apt-get remove italc-client,and is it ok?
06:30
<ogra>
talntid, and you added the client as described in the doc ?
06:31
<talntid>
on the ltsp server, i did: aptitude install libitalc italc-client italc-master
06:31
<ogra>
right
06:31
<cyberorg>
jackli, yes that's ok
06:31
<ogra>
then you logged in a new user and added the thin client ?
06:31
<jackli>
cyberorg:and I cannot run iTALC master normally under the thin-client.
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<talntid>
when i try to open italc, it errors.
06:32
<cyberorg>
jackli, user must be in the proper groups to run italc-launcher
06:32
<jackli>
cyberorg: can you run iTALC MASTER from thin-client?
06:32
<ogra>
jackli, why not ? :)
06:32
<talntid>
no auth keys ere found, or your old ones were broken... one sec. it gives a web addr
06:33
<cyberorg>
jackli, on ltsp everything runs on the server no matter where it is run from
06:33
<ogra>
talntid, it creates new keys on installation, you probably need to reboot the server to make them take effect
06:33
<talntid>
k
06:33
<ogra>
(not sure about that though)
06:33
<talntid>
rebooting :)
06:33
<jackli>
cyberorg:oh,I see.proper groups ,you mean.....
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<cyberorg>
italc group on opensuse, it should be same on ubuntu
06:36
<jackli>
cyberorg: You mean if there are two user:user1 and user2,user1 is the default user,and the user2's group should the same as user1?
06:36
<cyberorg>
jackli, no, teachers and admins (users with italc access) need to be added to a group called "italc"
06:38
<ogra>
cyberorg, i dont think thats needed in ubuntu
06:39
<jackli>
cyberorg:in ubuntu 8.10,there is no group named 'italc',and I need to create it ?
06:39
<cyberorg>
ogra, so only root can run italc?
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<talntid>
hrrrm
06:40
service isn't running, it says
06:41
<cyberorg>
jackli, if it does not exist creating will not work
06:41
<ogra>
talntid, you are running that on the server, right ?
06:41
<talntid>
right
06:42
<jackli>
cyberorg:I see.
06:45
<ogra>
cyberorg, looking at the code of italc-launcher it seems to just check the keys, not any group
06:45
<talntid>
do i need to start a service on the server side?
06:45
or does just installing it take care of it?
06:45
<ogra>
no, you just need to log in with a user on a thin clinet
06:45
<cyberorg>
ogra, folders containing keys are owned by root.italc on suse
06:45
no access to anyone else
06:46
<ogra>
addgroup --system admin
06:46
aha
06:46
its the admin group in ubuntu
06:46
<talntid>
hmm. i am logged in on a thin client.
06:47* ogra really thinks we need stgraber ...
06:47
<talntid>
is he the creator? :)
06:47
<ogra>
he is the only one really knowing it in depth
06:47
<talntid>
ah
06:47
<ogra>
no, not the creator, but he maintains the packages for ubuntu and did a ton of fixes
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<talntid>
i don't run the master interface from the thin client, right?
06:48
<ogra>
nobody here knows the code as good as him in here
06:48
what else do you try to run ?
06:48
<talntid>
?
06:48
<ogra>
indeed you *only* run the master
06:48
all the other stuff should start automatically
06:48
<talntid>
right. i ONLY run it on the ltsp server, right?
06:49
and i run it with "italc-launcher" right?
06:49
<ogra>
right, through Applications->System Tools->iTalc
06:49
<talntid>
i don't use a graphical interface on the server. it's sitting in a rack. i SSH to it
06:49
so I used a ssh -X root@myserver
06:49
then tried to run it that way.
06:49
<ogra>
root ??
06:49
<talntid>
*should* work
06:49
<ogra>
didnt you say you run ubuntu ?
06:50
<talntid>
yes
06:50
<ogra>
i dont think root is in the right groups
06:50
<talntid>
hmm...
06:50
<ogra>
and italc might have some security inside to not be run by root
06:50
<talntid>
should i run it as a different user?
06:50
<ogra>
use the admin user
06:50
the one you created at install
06:50
<talntid>
root is the admin user :)
06:51
this install is within Xen
06:51
i didn't use the graphical installer most people use
06:51
<ogra>
ah, well
06:51
<talntid>
its not giving me a groups error or permissions error, but rather a "there are no keys, or no service running"
06:51* ogra cant tell much about ubuntu systems using root ... i havent used root on servers or desktops since years ...
06:51
<ogra>
sudo is so much more secure
06:52
<cyberorg>
talntid, because it cannot access keys folder?
06:52
<ogra>
do you have keys in /etc/italc/keys ?
06:52
<talntid>
my servers are not accessable from the outside world, and also use ssh keys, not passwords..
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<ogra>
(also check the timestamps)
06:52
<talntid>
root@ltsp1:/etc/italc/keys# ls -al
06:52
total 16
06:52
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-12-02 04:21 .
06:52
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-12-02 04:21 ..
06:52
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2008-12-02 04:21 private
06:52
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2008-12-02 04:21 public
06:53
<mahesh>
hi guys
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<ogra>
talntid, look in public/
06:53
<jackli>
ogra:does it mean /opt/ltsp/i386 = i386.img?
06:53
<ogra>
there should be three subdirs, each containing a key
06:53
<talntid>
there are
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<ogra>
jackli, /opt/ltsp/i386 -> ltsp-update-image -> i386.img
06:54
talntid, well, if an ltsp session is up the ica servce should be running
06:55
but i have no clue about XEN, it might be caused by the XEN setup
06:55
<talntid>
best way to confirm that?
06:55
<ogra>
ps ax|grep ica :)
06:55
<talntid>
xen is transparent to the machine. it doesn't even know it's there :P
06:55
<jackli>
ogra:if we run thin-client, when we change the file in /opt/ltsp/i386,it doesnt work at once,right?
06:56
<ogra>
jackli, you need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the client
06:56
<talntid>
there are three ICA related things on the ps aux
06:56
<ogra>
so it gets the new image
06:56
talntid, then the italc-client is running for your ltsp user
06:56
<jackli>
cyberorg:How can I make /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local to work?
06:56
<cyberorg>
jackli, what ogra said ^^
06:57
<ogra>
talntid, how *exactly* did you install ltsp ? there is a full desktop instal on that server, right ?
06:57
<talntid>
there is.
06:58
but i don't have physical monitor/keyboard/mouse access to it, because there are 3 other servers on there.
06:58
i have ssh access, obviously
06:59
<ogra>
and you get a proper desktop when logging in on the thin client
06:59
<talntid>
correct.
06:59
everything on the thin client works, too.
06:59
<ogra>
all i can do atm is blame XEN
06:59
we had multiple probs with the XEN network emu before
07:00
and it might be that the key generation didnt work properly through that
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<talntid>
that was in the past, they fixed the networking issues a year or so ago
07:00
x11vnc is running on the thin client.. wonder if that can cause an issue?
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<cyberorg>
talntid, that is it, italc needs those ports
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<talntid>
hmm
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<talntid>
k, disabled that. lets see what happens.
07:15
same errors
07:16
root@ltsp1:~# italc-launcher &
07:16
[1] 5330
07:16
root@ltsp1:~# [warning] isdConnection::open(): unable to connect to server on client 127.0.0.1:5800
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<jackli1>
Hi,my ltsp-server does not work correctly.
07:20
in syslog,it says:
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<jackli1>
nbd_server[6883]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
07:21
<ogra>
did you rebuild the image ?
07:21
<jackli1>
Yes
07:21
<ogra>
sudo killall nbd-server
07:21
andreboot the client
07:22
<jackli1>
and I have rebooted my ltsp-server,but it doesnt work.
07:22
It's terrible
07:23* ogra has only seen that if there was a nbd-server process stuck
07:23
<jackli1>
connect from 192.1.3.168, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
07:23
Dec 2 21:16:20 lbs-desktop nbd_server[6883]: Size of exported file/device is 213966848
07:23
Dec 2 21:16:20 lbs-desktop nbd_server[6883]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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<jackli1>
and now I cannt login from the ltsp-client.
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<alex_21>
I have netvistas 2200 anyone know how to bring them up under LTSP 5
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<ogra>
warren, what rpm (as in redhat package manager) is the recent one ?
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<rjune>
ogra !
08:13
I'm supposed to talk to David Mandala today or tomorrow
08:13
<ogra>
rpm.org seems to have 4.4.2.3 ...
08:13
rjune, cool, thats my team lead ;)
08:14
<rjune>
How many steps is the interview process?
08:14
<ogra>
usually two ... with two different persons
08:15
<rjune>
assuming it goes well, any chance it could happen before UDS?
08:15
it == a hire
08:15
<ogra>
no, unlikely that the paperwork is done that fast
08:15
btw, i apparently gave you the wrong hotel address
08:16
seems canonical people stay in a different hotel nearby
08:16
(there was apparently not enough space in one hotel, so they booked two)
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08:23
<Gadi>
ogra: are you on an intrepid ltsp client by any chance?
08:23
<rjune>
ogra: good thing I didn't send it yet.
08:23
<stgraber>
ogra: what hotel will you be in ?
08:23
<ogra>
i'm not even near a running LTSP server :)
08:24
<Gadi>
ah - anyone?
08:24
<ogra>
stgraber, 0.7mi up the road
08:24
<rjune>
ogra: still, if I get hired, I could probably fund my own trip to CA
08:24
<ogra>
stgraber, http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/domain/
08:24
<Gadi>
"movin right along, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo"
08:24
<ogra>
its next door, same chain
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<ogra>
stgraber, i think the jam events will both be there
08:25
<stgraber>
ogra: hmm, ok so it's the same as mine :) Jorge's mail says Domain hotel and the wiki page says Wild Palms
08:25* ogra hopes we'll do a recording again
08:25
<ogra>
ah, i thought they split it up
08:26
wild palms is pretty cool
08:26
heated outside pool ... you can go swimming at night
08:26
<rjune>
ogra: bring a friend ;-)
08:27
<stgraber>
ogra: "Accommodation: The accommodation will be at the the Domain Hotel http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/domain/.
08:27
Please see the attached delegate and rooming list. Please have a careful look at your dates and let me know as soon as possible if there are any discrepancies."
08:27
so something is really confusing on that wikipage :)
08:28
<ogra>
yeah
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<rjune>
ogra: ok, so get me the new post address
08:30
<ogra>
http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/domain/ ...
08:30
<rjune>
ok
08:30
do you know your room ?#
08:31
<ogra>
nope, not yet ... will only know at checkin
08:31
i also dont know if i'm sharing or have a single room
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08:31
<ogra>
if the latter they will know me by name ... if not it might be the name of my roommate
08:32
<rjune>
Hrm.
08:32
ok.
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08:43
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
I got it...
08:44
!s
08:44
<ltspbot`>
_UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:44
<ogra>
!s
08:44
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:57
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hello all
09:00
<rjune>
ogra: do the canonical folks reply above or below the email they're responding to?
09:05
<stgraber>
depends who at Canonical :)
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09:06
<Gadi>
ogra: http://www.eldemonionegro.com/wordpress/archivos/2008/05/22/howto-to-intercomunicate-processes-in-differentremote-machines-through-dbus
09:10
<rjune>
your team lead
09:11
<ogra>
rjune, use the sane method :) (below/inline)
09:12
Gadi, i understand how gabriel works ... that doesnt make it a better hack :P
09:13
<jcastro>
stgraber: the domain hotel is where we are, the hotel listed on the wiki is the overflow hotel since we filled up the domain
09:13
<ogra>
Gadi, and i also dont want a second ssh connection
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09:14
<Gadi>
ogra: it was reading material - not a proposal
09:15
:)
09:15
<ogra>
i think we can do better :) but gabriel gives some hints
09:15
<Gadi>
I still think we can make use of standard ssh port-redirection and dbus tcp connections to localhost to make it happen
09:16* ogra wants direct dbus to ssh
09:17
<ogra>
and properly implemented in dbus or as dbus addon
09:18
<Gadi>
!learn patches as Submission of patches is more than welcome. :)
09:18
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: The operation succeeded.
09:18
<Gadi>
!patches
09:18
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "patches" is Submission of patches is more than welcome. :)
09:18
<ogra>
:)
09:18
<Gadi>
now, are you on an intrepid machine atm?
09:18
<ogra>
yes, but no ltsp around
09:19* ogra can also offer a jaunty ARM machine
09:19
<ogra>
:)
09:19
<Gadi>
thats ok, when you do: env|grep DBUS
09:19
does the /tmp file referenced there exist?
09:19
<ogra>
ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/rpm-4.4.2.3$ env|grep DBUS
09:19
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-D14EaTkiQ3,guid=85c22717177f9f2e41c4c95749231064
09:19
why should it ?
09:19
abstract ;)
09:20
<Gadi>
ah, ok
09:20
<rjune>
ogra: I would be happy to work on a jaunty ARM machine
09:20
<Gadi>
I am trying to trace my gconfd woes
09:20
<ogra>
rjune, get that job and you will droen in them ;)
09:21
Gadi, any traces in .xsession-errors ?
09:21
<Gadi>
nope
09:21
I get no errors when running gnome-session-daemon
09:21
<rjune>
interview at 1800
09:21
<Gadi>
but errors trying to launch things that use it
09:21
like Appearance
09:22
<rjune>
not to jump into the middle, but it listens to a network socket, yes?
09:22
<Gadi>
I dont know if it is bonobo or what
09:22
rjune: what does?
09:23
<ogra>
rjune, it uses dbus
09:23
well, g-s-d uses dbus to talk to gconfd afaik
09:24
<Gadi>
yeah - dbus, gconf, bonobo
09:24
its like the dance of the damned
09:24
<ogra>
well, bonobo will go away soon
09:24
<Gadi>
oh, and then throw in consolekit and policykit
09:24
<ogra>
thats only access control
09:24
<Gadi>
and we have a party
09:25
<ogra>
the doorkeepers of your party
09:25
<Gadi>
well, seeing as I cannot access what I want :)
09:25
I cannot tell if its because of the doorkeepers or the party's on fire
09:25
:)
09:25
<ogra>
ck-list-sessions
09:25
<Gadi>
there are many bugs related to ck+ssh
09:26
yeah, I did that
09:26
my connection is not active
09:26
<ogra>
should dropy you one session out
09:26
<Gadi>
nor local
09:26
but, that seems to be common with ssh connections
09:26
<ogra>
right, shouldnt stop gconf
09:26
its just important that oyu have any data there at all
09:27
not local will block users-admin etc
09:27
thats the drawback
09:27
but you should still have g-s-d and gconf
09:27
<Gadi>
is there a way to clean out gconf locks?
09:27
maybe something is locking up
09:28
hmm
09:28
actually
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09:28
<Gadi>
lemme try creating a new user
09:28
<ogra>
Gadi, bonobo sets locks ... i dont think gconf does
09:28
in /tmp/orbit-$USER
09:30* ogra curses rpm
09:33
<ogra>
sigh
09:34
<rjune>
ogra: ah, ok.
09:34
<Gadi>
hmm... new user has same issue
09:34
<rjune>
ogra: what's up with RPM?
09:34
<ogra>
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19825176/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.rpm_4.4.2.3-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
09:34
trying to get it relibtoolized on armel ...
09:34
<rjune>
are you building rpm for ubuntu?
09:35
<ogra>
sure
09:35
<rjune>
or are you trying to cross compile an arm rpm?
09:36
<ogra>
but it didnt build with the new toolchain and needs to get a libtool run
09:36
the other arches use the old binary from last release still
09:36
arm just appeared so you get all the build failures you dont see on the others
09:37
no, i compile it natively on arm
09:37
<rjune>
rpm will autodetect the arch you're building on unless you specify it.
09:37
<ogra>
yeas, thats all fine
09:37
its the new libtool that makes it fail
09:37
it fails on all arches, but arm exposes it
09:38
since the others dont rebuild existing binaries
09:38
<rjune>
you have a specfile?
09:38
<ogra>
heh, no, i'm building a debian package :)
09:39
<rjune>
you have the deb equivilent.
09:39
<ogra>
sure
09:40
<rjune>
can I see it? rjune@bravegnuworld.com
09:40
<ogra>
i'm just trying to rebuild the existing package
09:40
<rjune>
I'm curious why the deb build system is trying to run X--tag=CC
09:40
I'm assuming X just means error.
09:40
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/rpm/4.4.2.3-1ubuntu1
09:41
<rjune>
but at ./libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -c -o popt.lo popt.c it tries to run every option after the ./libtool as a command
09:41
<ogra>
thts the debian source package
09:44
<rjune>
ogra: Where are the build instructions?
09:44
<ogra>
in the debian dir
09:44
<rjune>
ogra: I'm very familiar with rpm, not as much with debs.
09:44
Ahh, in the actual archive, or the diff in this case.
09:44
gotcha
09:45
<ogra>
if you unpack the source package with dpkg-source -x *.dsc it creates a package dir
09:45
in that dir you have a debian/ dir that contains the packaging data and patches
09:45
<rjune>
yup, I'm reading the diff now
09:46
I wish this were a simple fix or I had more time to devote to it
09:47
do you see the libtool failure?
09:47
<ogra>
it actually is a simle fix ...
09:47
you need to run all the autofoo stuff
09:47
then it should work
09:47
<rjune>
then why not do that?
09:47
<ogra>
usually you just run autoreconf -i -f
09:48
but that results in some broken vars for some paths here
09:48
<rjune>
it breaks other things
09:48
so the fix is as bad as the problem
09:48
<ogra>
well, it seems to break a hardcoded value in a Makefile which i dont understand
09:48
top_builddir = ..
09:48
$(top_builddir)/config.status
09:48
<rjune>
yeah
09:49
<ogra>
results in
09:49
ake[3]: *** No rule to make target `/config.status', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
09:49
<rjune>
because it sets top_builddir=
09:49
<ogra>
i dont get how it manages to unset top_builddir
09:49
it cant ... thats hardcoded
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<rjune>
if you extract the raw package, does Makefile exist?
09:49
<ogra>
yep
09:50
well, no
09:50
<rjune>
Makefile.in exists
09:50
<ogra>
Makefile.in and Makefile.in.in do
09:50
<rjune>
when you run configure, it builds popt/Makefile
09:50
<ogra>
(it's the po dir)
09:50
<rjune>
so when you reconf it, Makefile get's regenerated
09:50
ok.
09:50
point remains though
09:51
can you pass an option into autoreconf to set top_builddir=.. ?
09:51
<ogra>
no
09:51
<rjune>
that sucketh.
09:51
<ogra>
thats why the original maintainer hardcodes it
09:52
<rjune>
in /build/buildd/rpm-4.4.2.3/popt, what happens if you do ./libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -c -o popt.lo popt.cAhhh ?
09:52
I'm really bothered by that.
09:54
<ogra>
well, it fails in po/ not in popt/
09:55
<rjune>
four lines coming
09:56
make[5]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/rpm-4.4.2.3/popt/po'
09:56
make[5]: Entering directory `/build/buildd/rpm-4.4.2.3/popt'
09:56
/bin/bash ./libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -c -o popt.lo popt.cAhhh
09:56
./libtool: line 818: X--tag=CC: command not found
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<rjune>
I may be misreading it, but it looks like it's done with popt/po
09:56
<ogra>
oh, i'm a lot further locally than the buildd machine is fro which you see the log :)
09:57
<rjune>
ah
09:57
<ogra>
my autoreconf actually runs properly
09:57
<rjune>
I'm going to laugh now
09:57
<ogra>
but i might execute it at the wrong time
09:59
<rjune>
it's hard to know what's going on with old information ogra.
09:59
iffn you don't have it by tonight, let me know
10:00
<ogra>
well, i showed you my error above :)
10:00
<rjune>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/rpm/4.4.2.3-1ubuntu1 <-- ?
10:00
<ogra>
there is not anything more than *** No rule to make target `/config.status', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
10:00
directly after t enters po/
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10:02
<rjune>
I'm missing something then. I go to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19825176/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.rpm_4.4.2.3-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and I don't seen an error about no rule to make target
10:02
I go to the other and I see the source info
10:05
<ogra>
i'm not building on the buildd
10:07
that would break it on all arches and cause a lot of subsequent breakage if i used that for testing :)
10:09
if you work on a debian package you usually do that locally in a pbuilder or chroot until your package works properly
10:09
<rjune>
I understand that. but those are the only two links you sent me.
10:10
<ogra>
what you see in the log is the original failue of the package when trying to build it on the buildd with the old libtoolization but a newer libtool
10:11
the first ste when running make is to cd into po/
10:11
<rjune>
ok.
10:11
<ogra>
the first line i get after that is " *** No rule to make target `/config.status', needed by `Makefile'. Stop."
10:11
<rjune>
gotcha
10:11
<ogra>
no other messages
10:11
<rjune>
I thought the link was your current error
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<devilbues>
Hello, I have this new thin-client with a realtek rtl8110s/8169s nic, and when trying to boot I get this error: "ipconfig: no devices to configure". Can anybody help? I'm using intrepid
10:47
<chrisinajar>
stgraber: you guys had gobby autosaving to an svn at bts right?... How did you set that up?
10:48
<ogra>
surely not svn
10:48
nobody in ubuntu uses svn (until he has to for external projects)
10:49
<chrisinajar>
the specific version control system doesn't really matter :-P
10:49
<ogra>
chrisinajar, usually gobby.ubuntu.com is used ... no idea how our IS team has set that up
10:50
<chrisinajar>
not source code
10:50
the documents we were editing
10:50
at bts we had a gobby server up the whole time
10:50
<ogra>
its a public server in the canonical datacenter
10:50
(and never used for sourcecode ... ;) )
10:50
<chrisinajar>
oohh, i see what you're saying
10:51
i want to set up my own, and can't seem to find any documents on how to get it to save the active documents via svn (or anything similar)...
10:51
<ogra>
heh, and i mixed up BTS with UDS :)
10:51
so its well possible you had something else at BTS
10:52
<chrisinajar>
indeed, we had a dedicated gobby server running...
10:52
if brendan and I did what we did to a real gobby server, i think people would be pretty pissed off... :-P
10:52
we edited the source so that every time you press any key, your color changes to another random color.... == awful
10:53
anyway, ogra do you know any way to configure gobby to save the documents with some level of history..? I could probably just write a bash script to do it and make cron run it, but that's messier than i would prefer...
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10:55
<ogra>
no, i have never run a dedictaed gobby server, ususally a laptop on the team is enough ... the only occurence where i get in touch with a dedicated gobby is gobby.ubuntu.com
10:55
<ball>
Is gobby that multi-user text editor thing?
10:55
<chrisinajar>
awe... well, thanks anyway :)
10:55
it is indeed
10:55
and it's wicked manly
10:55
<ogra>
yup
10:55
<chrisinajar>
want a really good patch for the source code?
10:56
it makes the colors change //better// :)
10:56
<ball>
Does each user run an instance of Gobby on the same machine, or do multiple instances connect via the network?
10:56
<ogra>
we have 100s of people working on docs simultaneously during a UDS
10:56
<ball>
(or both ;-)
10:56
<chrisinajar>
network
10:56
both, yes
10:57
<ball>
I need to get me coding partners on that thing
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<Gadi>
stgraber: ping
11:03
<sbalneav>
devilbues: Sounds like the kernel doesn't have a module for it
11:04
<ogra>
or its just not in the initramfs
11:04
<devilbues>
sbalneav: In ltsp 4.2, kernel 2.6.21 uses r8169 module
11:04
<ogra>
oh
11:04
thats indeed ancient
11:04
unlikely you find modules for really new HW in 4.x
11:05
<Gadi>
hey - whats the gconf key to turn off compiz?
11:05
<rjune>
Gadi: you using gnome or kde?
11:05
<Gadi>
gnome
11:05
8.10
11:06
<rjune>
do alt-f2 and run free the fish
11:06
<Gadi>
(ubuntu)
11:06
?
11:06
<sbalneav>
devilbues: What are you running? Debian? Ubuntu? Fedora?
11:06
<devilbues>
sbalneav: Ubuntu Intrepid
11:06
<sbalneav>
devilbues: and we never had a 2.6.21 with 4.2 :)
11:07
<rjune>
Gadi: just try it
11:07
<sbalneav>
far as I know, did you compile your own?
11:07
<ogra>
sbalneav, nor in intrepid :)
11:07
<Gadi>
is that the command?
11:07
<rjune>
sbalneav: I don't remember it either
11:07
<devilbues>
sbalneav: yes i did
11:07
<rjune>
Gadi: "free the fish" without quotes.
11:08
<sbalneav>
devilbues: yeah, so what you'll need to do is probably build a custom kernel for ubuntu to use with the thin client.
11:08
<Gadi>
rjune: it just runs free
11:08
:)
11:08
<sbalneav>
Google around for "building a kernel the ubuntu way" or something like that IIRC
11:08
<rjune>
are you running it from withing gnome's alt-f2? or from within a terminal?
11:08
<Gadi>
oh
11:08
I got ya
11:08
<sbalneav>
if you use the initramfs tools, it should work.
11:08
<Gadi>
can I do it system wide?
11:09
<rjune>
yeah, it'll only affect your session
11:09
<Gadi>
I want it for all
11:09
<devilbues>
sbalneav: the driver is there, but somehow ltsp doesn't detect it
11:09
<rjune>
but it has to be run from within gnome as far as I know
11:09
<CAN-o-SPAM>
#ltsp: If you have an account at www.linkedin.com ... Join The LTSP Group: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/1412517
11:09
<devilbues>
in 4.2 I had to force the in pxe file with something like NIC=r8169 but it doesn't work in ltsp5
11:09
<sbalneav>
devilbues: Well, LTSP's got nothing to do with it in Ubuntu, since LTSP just uses a stock ubuntu kernel
11:10
<ogra>
sbalneav, 4.2 he said
11:10
devilbues, really, use ltsp5
11:10
<sbalneav>
right, but he's TRYING to get it going under LTSP5, and it's not working...
11:10
<ball>
ooh, I'm on LinkedIn
11:10
<sbalneav>
Unless I'm missing something...
11:11
<ogra>
i understood he is running 4.2 with a self breeded .21 kernel ...
11:11
<devilbues>
ogra: I use ltsp5, I'm just saying that it works on ltsp 4.2 in any kernel, as long as you force it with NIC=r8169 in default pxe file
11:11
<sbalneav>
right, and he has it WORKING with that
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<ogra>
ah
11:12
<sbalneav>
Does the ubuntu kernel allow the NIC parameter on the command line?
11:12
<rjune>
CAN-o-SPAM: what is CMO?
11:13
<ogra>
yes, but i thin the error is rather r8169 being obsolete since years ... iirc you need t use r8169too
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<devilbues>
ogra: I downloaded the driver from realtek site, compiled on chroot but it still doesn't work
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11:17
<CAN-o-SPAM>
rjune: marketing officer
11:17
<ogra>
devilbues, the driver is included by default in ubuntu
11:17
dont compile anything
11:18
<devilbues>
ogra: so why doesn't it work?
11:18
<ogra>
have a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
11:18
<sbalneav>
I think that's the 8139too...
11:18
<monteslu>
cool a linked in ltsp group!
11:18
<ogra>
(in the chroot)
11:18
<monteslu>
rjune, add me :)
11:19
<rjune>
to the group? I can't, I'm not a member
11:19
<ogra>
go to auto_add_modules()
11:19
<monteslu>
it says you are
11:19
<ogra>
look at the net case
11:19
<monteslu>
i guess not the group owner
11:19
<ogra>
you might need to add it there
11:20
<sbalneav>
ogra: /usr/share, or $CHROOT/usr/share?
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11:20
<ogra>
then re-run update-initramfs -u in the chroot
11:20
<monteslu>
alex colcernian is
11:20
i don't know who that is
11:20
<ogra>
and run ltsp-update-kernels
11:20
<CAN-o-SPAM>
monteslu: request to join the group
11:20
<monteslu>
just did
11:20
<ogra>
sbalneav, <ogra> have a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
11:20
sbalneav, <ogra> (in the chroot)
11:20
<sbalneav>
duh
11:20
<CAN-o-SPAM>
monteslu: welcome :)
11:21
<ogra>
to noisy here
11:21* sbalneav slaps head.
11:21
<monteslu>
awesome, thanks
11:21
<devilbues>
ogra: 8139too is already present there
11:21
<sbalneav>
ok, that might be a good pointer for the docs
11:21
devilbues: yeah, but you want r8169
11:22
<ogra>
devilbues, you said r8169
11:22
<devilbues>
r8169 is also there
11:22
<ogra>
sbalneav, that might be a good bugreport rather
11:22
:P
11:23
oh, right its there
11:23* ogra didnt bother looking since he doesn even have the time to chat here atm
11:23
<sbalneav>
Hmmm
11:24
<ogra>
well, it should just work with the default kernel and the shipped driver
11:25
(which is 2.6.27-7-generic btw)
11:25
<sbalneav>
devilbues: What kind of thin client is this? Can you boot off of a cdrom and see if, say, the Ubuntu live CD detects the network interface?
11:25
gotta head out for a bit.
11:25
be back on later
11:25
<devilbues>
sbalneav: I'll try that thanks
11:28
<rjune>
monteslu: I applied for membership, CAN-o-SPAM has to approve me
11:29
<ball>
I have to go
11:30
<CAN-o-SPAM>
rjune & monteslu: you should be added now.
11:31
<rjune>
i got the email
11:31
oddly enough, the group page tells me that membership is pending
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hmm
11:32
give it some time
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<rjune>
!g
11:32
<ltspbot`>
rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:32
<Gadi>
grr
11:33
<ogra>
!g
11:33
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:33
<ogra>
!g
11:33
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:33
<ogra>
:P
11:33
<Gadi>
seems the #ltsp channel has annoying bugs, too
11:33
:)
11:33
damn it - even in the future nothing works
11:33
<rjune>
ouch
11:34
did you free the fish?
11:34
<ogra>
did you time travel ?
11:34
<ball>
?
11:34
<Gadi>
I did and then had fish floating around the screen
11:34
not exactly the help I was after
11:34
<ogra>
well, if you told it to
11:34
<Gadi>
:)
11:34
<rjune>
heh, I've not figured out how to kill it yet.
11:34
<ogra>
you cant
11:35
<rjune>
damn
11:35
<Gadi>
*sigh*
11:35
<ogra>
you have to log out
11:35
Gadi, why did you free it ?
11:35
<rjune>
Gadi: it's not that bad, I've had it for three days
11:35
<Gadi>
gconfd runs. dbus runs. bonobo runs. yet, nothing runs together
11:35
<rjune>
ogra: I told him to
11:35
<ogra>
rjune, pfft, no reason to do it :)
11:36
<rjune>
heh
11:36* Gadi starts to think you can never upgrade an ubuntu distro cleanly
11:36
<ogra>
Gadi, used u-m ?
11:36
<Gadi>
unless you are on a pc
11:36
yup
11:36
Ive been a good lil boy
11:36
<ogra>
weird
11:36
<Gadi>
done what they asked
11:36
:)
11:36
seemed very smooth
11:36
<rjune>
Gadi: I dunno about that, we'll have to ask your wife. ;-)
11:37
<Gadi>
but my g-s-d doesn't run in my session properly
11:37
<ogra>
Gadi, seb128 for gnome and mvo for update issues ...
11:37
<Gadi>
or anyone else's for that mtter
11:37
*sigh*
11:37
Ive been up and down the bug reports
11:38
chasing warnings and errors in xsession-errors
11:38
it would be nice if gnome-session had a log
11:38
or if any of these beasts had logs
11:39
so you can say - "oh! romm's gconf wants to connect to dbusA not dbusB
11:39
and fix it
11:39
<ogra>
it might not even be a dbus issue
11:39
tried to start it by hand ?
11:39
<rjune>
Gadi: there has to be something somewhere
11:40
else how would the gnome folks debug it?
11:40
<Gadi>
g-s-d returns nothing by hand
11:40
<ogra>
gnome-settings-daemon --no-daemon --debug
11:40
<Gadi>
** (gnome-settings-daemon:10769): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
11:40
** (gnome-settings-daemon:10769): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
11:40
** (gnome-settings-daemon:10769): DEBUG: SettingsDaemon finished
11:41
thats something
11:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so I'm working with CUPS in Fedora 9...
11:41
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: cups is good.
11:41
<Gadi>
that just means it cannot connect to dbus
11:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
I'm trying to print to a printer attached to a client.
11:41
<rjune>
Gadi: but it's a start.
11:41
<ogra>
run dbus-monitor in another term
11:41
and see whats happening on the bus
11:42
you might not have paid enough for your ticket to get a seat :)
11:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
I really want to be able to print to the client from the server using the lp -d command...
11:43
<Gadi>
signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged
11:43
string ":1.91"
11:43
string ":1.91"
11:43
string ""
11:43
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: can you print to the printer at all?
11:43
<ogra>
dest=(null destination) ?
11:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes. I can print to the printer from the client through the server, and from the server itself.. just test pages and whatnot.
11:44
I installed cups on the client image
11:44
<rjune>
ok.
11:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
but when in a shell on the client, if I run an lpstat -a, no printers are listed
11:45
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: are you using local apps?
11:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: most definately
11:45
<ogra>
Gadi, there must be a lot more
11:45
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: where are you running lpstat?
11:45
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: set cups on the server to allow browsing
11:45
it should then work automatically
11:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: that's actually the issue I am having. the cupsd.conf file will be pasted shortly
11:46
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "cupsd.conf" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/120
11:47
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: that's the cups file from your server or from the terminal?
11:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
from the server
11:47
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: change to:
11:47
Listen *:631
11:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, rjune: I was running lpstat -a from SCREEN_02 on the terminal
11:47
<Gadi>
and restart cups
11:47
<rjune>
Gadi: you're listening to localhost
11:47
gah, _UsUrPeR_ ^
11:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so Listen localhost:631 changes to Listen localhost *:631?
11:48
<rjune>
yeah
11:48
<Gadi>
mind you, I mean cups on the server
11:48
not in your chroot
11:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
got it
11:48* ogra wonders what security holse that opens :)
11:48
<ogra>
*holes a well
11:48
<Gadi>
quiet, you
11:48
<ogra>
*as
11:48
<rjune>
in his config? could be interesting
11:48
<ogra>
gah
11:48
<rjune>
anybody can print anywhere.
11:49
<Gadi>
rjune: local apps automatically sets the client as a cups client to the server
11:49
<rjune>
Gadi: nifty
11:49
<Gadi>
so, once he has server-side queues that are broadcast
11:49
he's good-to-go
11:49
<rjune>
yuppers
11:50
<ogra>
"anybody can print anywhere" .... means you can shut down your server remotely by sending 10G of docs to the open cups ... in case you dont like to work today :)
11:50
<rjune>
yeah, you can do things to mitigate that though
11:50
set limits, etc
11:50
and cups records usernames.
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11:50
<ogra>
not use * but a proper netmask :)
11:51
<rjune>
on a single interface system it's the same as I remember
11:51
<Gadi>
ogra: functional comes before secure - but secure should always come
11:51
<ogra>
yeah
11:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I changed the cupsd.conf file, and ran /etc/init.d/cups restart on the server.
11:51
<rjune>
Listen tells it what to bind on. * means any interface, whereas an IP means that interface
11:51
<ogra>
i didnt say dont use * for testing :)
11:51
just dont keep it
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11:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
on the client, still no dice when running lpstat -a on the client.
11:51
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: reboot the client
11:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
....did I mention that was on the client? :)
11:52
<Gadi>
and log back in
11:52* _UsUrPeR_ reboots
11:52
<rjune>
ogra: I think you're referring to restrictions on the Locations
11:52
You want to do that for sure, limit printing to local systems
11:52
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: on the server, check that cups is listening properly with netstat
11:53
<rjune>
or telnet SERVER_IP 631 from any system on your network
11:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am running wireshark on my laptop on another port off this switch... I am not seeing any cups broadcasts from the server pertaining to the newly shared printer.
11:53
<rjune>
that has the added benefit of checking firewall rules too
11:53
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: it should listen on :631
11:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
trying to telnet in to 143.57.211.66 631 = unable to connect: connection refused
11:53
<Gadi>
then, you config is still wrong
11:53* _UsUrPeR_ checks firewall
11:54
<rjune>
actually, http://SERVER_IP:631 is better as cups has an http interface
11:54
<Gadi>
ah
11:54
<rjune>
143? this is a public network?
11:54
<Gadi>
check your <Location />
11:54
you need to add something like:
11:54
Allow 192.168.1.*
11:54
or some such
11:54
there
11:54
(in cupsd.conf)
11:54
<rjune>
the Order Allow,Deny will let anything through by defualt won't it?
11:55
<Gadi>
<Location />
11:55
Order allow,deny
11:55
Allow localhost
11:55
Allow 192.168.1.*
11:55
Allow @LOCAL
11:55
</Location>
11:55
that is what I have
11:55
<rjune>
<Location />
11:55
Order allow,deny
11:55
Allow localhost
11:55
Allow @LOCAL
11:55
</Location>
11:55
heh,
11:55
damn, one step ahead of me.
11:55
it's because I'm only an honorary Jew instead of a pureblood. :-D
11:56
Gadi: two NICs in your server?
11:56
<Gadi>
well, can you fix my gconf
11:56
yeah
11:56
<rjune>
dude, If I could fix your gconf, I would.
11:56
<Gadi>
I think I will just reboot the server at end of day
11:56
and pray
11:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
rjune: what are the differences between honarary jew and pure?
11:56
<rjune>
buut as I have A) no access to your server to poke it
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
is that like Madonna?
11:57
<Gadi>
prolly an inch of foreskin
11:57
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: we get snipped, but we don't have to go to synagogue and can eat pork
11:57
<ogra>
madonna has foreskin ?
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
....
11:57
<Gadi>
so I hear
11:57
:)
11:57
<rjune>
ogra: I bet she has a collection of foreskin
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
...she adopted the religion..
11:58
lulz
11:58
<Gadi>
well, more like the rabbi
11:58
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: I can't imagine her being particularly devout. but I'm in no position to judge.
11:59
<Gadi>
hmm.. Ive got one guy whose machine keeps locking up
11:59
grr
11:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: machine = server or client?
11:59
<Gadi>
** ERROR **: couldn't get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-ZAMbVD2WTv: Connection refused
12:00
<rjune>
does /tmp/dbus-ZA.... exist?
12:00
<Gadi>
what the heck is going on?
12:00
no - its "abstract" - whatever that means
12:00
*sigh*
12:00
maybe I can reboot the server earlier rather than later
12:01* Gadi hates upgrades
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12:03
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "ok, NEW cupsd.conf" (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/121
12:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, here's the new cupsd... still no broadcasting via cups
12:03
firewall's off
12:05
still unable to try telneting to <server ip> 631, nor http
12:13
anyone? :P
12:26
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: can you telnet to it locally
12:26
or do netstat -anp|grep :631
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<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: Listen localhost *:631 becomes Listen *:631
12:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
rjune: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6504/cupsd
12:30
tcp 0 0 :::631 :::* LISTEN 6504/cupsd
12:30
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* 6504/cupsd
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12:32
<Gadi>
found a work around
12:32
disable mouse plugin
12:32
:P
12:33
<stgraber>
Gadi: pong
12:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
rjune: I can telnet via localhost
12:33
on port 631
12:34
<rjune>
Gadi: disabling the mouse worked?
12:34
_UsUrPeR_: of course you can, you're still listening on localhost.
12:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
12:34
<rjune>
that's what Listen localhost does
12:34
that's why gadi and I said change it to listh *:631
12:34
Listen *:631
12:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
listen IS at *:631
12:36
<rjune>
ok.
12:36
<Gadi>
rjune: yeah. imanaged to trace the bug to a problem in the g-s-d mouse plugin
12:36
weird
12:36
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: telnet 143.57.211.66 631 works on the server right?
12:36
Gadi: at least it's working now
12:36
<devilbues>
sbalneav: I booted from a live cd, the system detects my nic and loads the r8169 module but network doesn't come up, I have this error: "SIOCSIFFLAFS: Function not implemented"
12:36
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "cupsd.conf" (56 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/122
12:36
<rjune>
FLAFS?
12:37
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: you should change 192.168.1.* to suit your network
12:37
:P
12:37
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: @LOCAL should do it for him
12:37
but yah, the 192.168 is probably bad for him
12:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: it is actually different on my server :)
12:38
<Gadi>
I know
12:38
:)
12:38
change it and restart cups
12:38
(change it to your thin client subnet)
12:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
rjune: if I try to connect to the external server IP address from the server via telner, it refuses connection
12:39
wtf is blocking this? :(((((((
12:39
firewall's still off
12:40
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: did you change cupsd.conf and restart?
12:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yeah
12:40
<Gadi>
can you pastebot your current cupsd.conf?
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12:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: rgr
12:44
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: I don't do this often, but in the interest of expediency, do you want to create an account on the system and have me take peek at it?
12:45
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "latest cupsd.conf" (56 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/123
12:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
rjune: sorry, but I can't do that :(
12:46
<rjune>
that's fine.
12:46
_UsUrPeR_: tell me a bit about the server and about the network.
12:46
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: is Allow 143.57.211.* the thin client network?
12:46
<rjune>
paste ifconfig to pastebot for me please
12:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yes.
12:47
<Gadi>
is it 255.255.255.0?
12:47
<rjune>
Gadi: my question will answer that and more. ;-)
12:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yes
12:47
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: change the line to read: Allow 143.57.211.*
12:47
note the *
12:47
and restart cups
12:48
oh
12:48
and comment out Listen localhost
12:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: that was temporary to see if I could telnet to it from a specific IP (namly the same IP as the server)
12:48
<Gadi>
and Listen /var/cups...
12:49
just have Listen *:631
12:49
and restart cups
12:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
BAHA!
12:50
looks like removing the listen /var/cups... line has changed things
12:50
oh spectacular
12:50
<Gadi>
makes sense - it should only honor 1 Listen directive
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh
12:51
ok, lemme reboot the client
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<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: the llast Listen statement is the only one that matters
12:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh. well that was the last one
12:52
<rjune>
Gadi: don't know if that's right, I have both Listen 631 and Listen /var/sock....
12:53
<Gadi>
hmm
12:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
12:54
ok, well I am now able to telnet without being rejected by the server
12:54
on that port
12:54
NOW, there's the issue where it doesn't appear to be broadcasting the printer's availability to clients
12:54
<Gadi>
do you have LOCAL_APSS=True?
12:54
er, APPS
12:55
and have you logged in through ldm?
12:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: fedora 9. LOCAL_APPS = Y
12:55
<Gadi>
ok
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12:55
<Gadi>
and did you log in?
12:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
it works for other local applications
12:55
yeah
12:56
<Gadi>
ah, ok
12:56
then whats the issue?
12:56
<rjune>
lpstat -a probably doesns't show the printer
12:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
lpstat -a shows no printers on the client
12:57
<Gadi>
how are you running it?
12:57
local apps xterm?
12:57
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: does lpstat -a show the printers on the server?
12:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
the server shows it running properly, and in the GUI on the client I can see it running, but when running ltsp-localapps xterm lpstat -a shows nothing
12:57
rjune: yeah, server shows fine
12:57
<rjune>
GUI on the client is irrelevant.
12:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
I can print to the printer from the server just fine
12:57
rjune: true that :P
12:58
<Gadi>
in a local apps xterm do:
12:58
ls /etc/cupss/client.conf
12:58
er
12:58
/etc/cups/client.conf
12:59
maybe f9 has older localapps code
12:59* rjune shrugs
13:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: the file shows up when ls'ing for it
13:00
<Gadi>
hmm
13:00
cat it
13:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
it's a 0 byte file though
13:00
nothing in there
13:00
<Gadi>
ah
13:00
there's the problem
13:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
?
13:00
<Gadi>
hmm...
13:00
oh, prolly because fedora is not completely rw
13:01
need to raise that as a bug
13:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: /etc/cups/client.conf is empty on the server as well
13:01
what's supposed to be in there?
13:02
<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: ServerName SERVER_IP
13:02
<Gadi>
# if cups is installed in the chroot, use LDM_SERVER for printing
13:02
[ -d "/etc/cups" ] && echo "ServerName ${LDM_SERVER}" > /etc/cups/client.con
13:02
f
13:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: oh
13:03
<Gadi>
can you write to it?
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
that line goes in client.conf? I can do that :)
13:03
<Gadi>
or is it read-only?
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
I'm going to have to re-build the image, but that's ok
13:03
<rjune>
Gadi: where does that snippet come from, check to see if he has the latest scripts
13:03
<Gadi>
wait
13:03
there is a better way
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
?
13:03
<Gadi>
fedora pre-lists certain files to be read-write
13:04
since they do not have a tmpfs overlay
13:04
find that list
13:04
it is in ...
13:06
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
13:06
no
13:06
wait
13:06
where is it
13:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
that files does nnot exist :/
13:07
<Gadi>
right
13:07
there is a rwtab.d somewhere
13:07
I think
13:07* Gadi doesnt know much about fedora's setup
13:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: where'd you copy-pasta those instructions from?
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13:08
<Gadi>
that snippet is part of: $chroot/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S01-localapps
13:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
13:09* _UsUrPeR_ is going to try that
13:09
<Gadi>
but, it should be there
13:09
it prolly cannot write to the file, because to the system that file is read-only
13:09
you need to designate it as a rw file
13:09
in the rwtab
13:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
13:10
<Gadi>
and tell warren :)
13:11
<warren>
look in /etc/rwtab.d
13:11
make your own file in that directory listing stuff you need read-write
13:12
<Gadi>
warren: u may want to add: /etc/cups/client.conf to your default list
13:12
the localapps script will try to write to it if cups is installed on the client
13:12
<warren>
the list only works for blank files
13:12
<Gadi>
oh
13:12
<warren>
does it start out blank and gets written during boot?
13:13
<Gadi>
not sure on fedora
13:13
<rjune>
looks like it.
13:13
<warren>
actually, let me check
13:13
<rjune>
it's 0 byte now
13:13
<Gadi>
ubuntu has no file
13:13
but, sounds like fedora has
13:13
<warren>
oh, for file lines it actually need not be blank
13:13
_UsUrPeR_: test that it works as expected after adding that line
13:14
if so I'll add it to the next version
13:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren/gadi: there is no cups dir in the rwtab.d
13:14
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: add it as a file
13:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
13:14
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: does the entire dir need to be writable or only specific files?
13:14
<Gadi>
just one file
13:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
strangely enough, I don't see any broadcasting from the server pertaining to port 631
13:15
using wireshark
13:15
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: it listens
13:15
<rjune>
don't think you will.
13:15
<Gadi>
doesnt broadcast
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13:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
k, I've put the file in the rwtab.d
13:18
under k12linux.rwtab
13:18
and updated the image
13:18* _UsUrPeR_ reboots client
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<_UsUrPeR_>
nice. that did it.
13:20
lpstat -a worjs out just fine now on the client
13:20
worjs = works
13:20
thanks all
13:21
<rjune>
j00 welcome
13:21
<Gadi>
cool
13:29
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: ok, what is the exact line to add?
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren, in the following file: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rwtab.d/k12linux.rwtab the following is added --- files /etc/cups/client.conf
13:31
lp -d works great now
13:31
<warren>
hmm, /etc/cups/ doesn't exist at all
13:31
_UsUrPeR_: what exactly is this needed for?
13:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
that...
13:31
<rjune>
warren printing from local apps
13:31
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: you had to manually install cups into the chroot?
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
...a java script.... I can't be too verbose about what exactly things are for
13:32
warren: correct
13:32
<warren>
ok
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
definately not a "bug"
13:32
definitely even...
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<warren>
i'll add that to the chroot and that line
13:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
coo
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<_UsUrPeR_>
a question about using ltsp-localapps and lp -d...
14:12
if I type out the following: ltsp-localapps lp -d ws070lp /test.txt , it does not print
14:13
however, if I create a executable file with the exact same text in it, and use ltsp-localapps to run that (i.e. ltsp-localapps printtest) it works fine
14:13
what's the difference? Is there supposed to be ` or " around the command run?
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<chrisinajar>
stgraber: ping
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
#LTSP: .... Join our LTSP LinkedIn Group: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/1412517
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<stgraber>
chrisinajar: pong
14:20
<chrisinajar>
stgraber: at BTS, did you have the gobby server commiting to SVN periodically? if so, how did you implement that?
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<stgraber>
chrisinajar: it was commiting to bzr actually. Using bzr you can only commit if you have a change so it was an infinite loop doing : bzr add * && bzr commit -m "Automatic snapshot" ; sleep 5m
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<chrisinajar>
excellent!
14:22
i wonder if svn commits when changes were not made....
14:22
hmmm
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<_UsUrPeR_>
anyone know why if I type out the following: ltsp-localapps lp -d ws070lp /test.txt , in my client it does not print?
14:29
is it not possible to put long commands in with ltsp-localapps?
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<rjune>
define long?
14:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
ltsp-localapps lp -d ws070lp /test.txt
14:30
<rjune>
what does ltsp-localapps lpstat do?
14:30
or lpstat -a
14:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
nothing.... technically. Nothing is displayed
14:31
that's typical of ltsp-localapps though
14:32
<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: you need to quote the arguments
14:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
i.e. ltsp-localapps "lp -d ws070lp /test.txt" ?
14:32
<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: ltsp-localapps "foo -bar --baz"
14:33
yeah
14:33* _UsUrPeR_ tries that
14:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm... no dice :/
14:36
though if I create an executable file, that seems to work fine
14:37
<vagrantc>
lp is present in the chroot ?
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<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: create an executable that runs your lp command.
14:38
what happens?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
rjune: works fine
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<rjune>
Hrm. odd
14:40
there had to be an error somewhere
14:40
what does ltsp-localapps -h do?
14:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
nothing :)
14:40
<rjune>
damn
14:41
I was hoping there's an option to show debug info or something
14:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
ltsp-localapps is typically silent
14:43
<etyack>
doesn't ltsp-localapps log to /var/log/?? on the client?
14:43
messages, secure ?
14:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
in the ldm.log it sayd the following: Executing the following command as train01: lp -d ws070lp /startrmi_httpd
14:46
and that is entered when I run ltsp-localapps "lp -d ws070lp /<fileIwanttoprint>"
14:46
it appears to be correct
14:46
the way it's entered and all
14:53
<Gadi>
um, is the file on the client or the server?
14:53
(the file you want to print)
14:53
put the file in the user's homedir
14:53
and then do: lp ... /home/$USER/file
14:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
nm, got it
14:54
<rjune>
what was it?
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<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: can you run ltsp-localapps xterm
14:54
_UsUrPeR_: and then manually run the command from the locally run xterm ?
14:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
I had changed the cupsd.conf earlier and it was outside the IP range of the client I was trying to print from
14:55
so printer wouldn't print because it wouldn't accept the connection....
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<rjune>
LOL
14:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
.....
14:55* _UsUrPeR_ jumps out the window
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<etyack>
_UsUrPeR_: how could your script have worked? the one where you put the lp command inside?
14:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
....
14:56
that's a good question actually.
14:56
lemme try that again
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I changed Listen *:631 to Listen xxx.xxx.xxx.*:631
14:58
ok, now I'm confused
14:58
'cause it sure isn't working now
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<rjune>
_UsUrPeR_: I have simply Listen 631 in my cupsd.conf, but I suspsect that Listen *:631 should be fine
14:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
14:59
<etyack>
_UsUrPeR_: did you try the cupsd.conf I sent you?
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<Ahmuck>
does ltsp provide any type of "printer control"?
15:56
is there a way to limit a user's time on a computer/day?
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<vagrantc>
nothing above and beyond a normal system
15:58
nothing ltsp-specific, that is
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<Ahmuck>
i'm very strigent on licensing. wine will run a number of windows programs. is there a way to limit the number of processes an app can open?
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, sure.. but it's not related to ltsp..
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<Gadi>
nubae: is ur site having issues?
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<lbs>
ogra:hi
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<nubae>
Gadi damn registrar is having problems transferring my domain
18:31
<warren>
Gadi damn?
18:32
<nubae>
Gadi, damn... :-)
18:32
(12:44:57 AM) Gadi: nubae: is ur site having issues?
18:32
<warren>
nubae: is the current registration "privacy protected" by a service?
18:33
<nubae>
probably... Im transferring from bulkregister to my own account...
18:33
and the registrar there seems to be incompetent at sending domain transfer key...
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<warren>
if you have to turn off privacy guards and have a real person as the admin contact before transfer
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<nubae>
I am the real person on it all, its just that even then the original registrar, of which there are thousands in bulkregister (basically a conglomeration of b2b registrar accounts) needs to accept the transfer....
18:39
and that registrar is either blind and hasn't seen the requests or is just being an ass...
18:39
probably the latter
18:44
welp, got the site back up by changing the host settings
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<ball>
bah humbug.
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<twb>
OK, so if I run "glxinfo" on the xterm, it causes Xorg to crash. I'm told this means I probably need to write a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the client. Is this documented in the manual?
20:20* twb looks...
20:22* ball tries it
20:22
<ball>
Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":1.0".
20:24
segfaults too.
20:25
<twb>
Here we go, chapter 11
20:25
ball: glxinfo doesn't just segfault itself -- it crashes the whole X session here!
20:26
<ball>
quality.
20:26
<twb>
BTW, the machines I have here actually have small (under 1GB) SSDs. Can I tell it to use that SSD as swap?
20:27* ball shudders
20:27
<cyberorg>
twb, what distro?
20:28
<twb>
SLES10 :-(
20:28
<cyberorg>
twb, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks
20:29
twb, see "Using custom configuration for the client"
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<twb>
Thanks!
20:30
<cyberorg>
you need xorg.conf that works for the client first, use live CD to create one if you do not have similar installed system
20:30
<twb>
Hehe, live CD he says
20:30
This is a proper xterm, it doesn't have silly optical drives :-)
20:31* ball would like to get ltsp working on a JavaStation Krupps
20:31
<cyberorg>
use live USB stick and sax2 from there
20:31* twb netboots Ubuntu
20:31
<ball>
...or NetBSD, which could work as an xterm
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<twb>
cyberorg: say, does the xorg "openchrome" driver exist on the (opensuse 11?) client I get when I put Kiwi LTSP on SLES10?
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<twb>
(It changed recently, and used to be called "unichrome" or something.)
22:18
<cyberorg>
twb, yes
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<twb>
Hooray!
22:19
<cyberorg>
openchrome is added, unichrome is another driver
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<twb>
Say, can I have something like Ubuntu's "usplash" to hide the boot messages?
22:25
Hmm, setting XSERVER=openchrome makes X fail to start.
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<cyberorg>
twb, set the proper vga= parameter in /srv/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default, bootsplash is already included
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<twb>
cyberorg: it's already set to vga=791
22:29
Oh, splash=silent looks suspicious
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<cyberorg>
looks like i may have forgotten to include bootsplash
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<twb>
What's the root password on the client, so I can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
22:34
<cyberorg>
linux
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<twb>
Hmm, how do I stop X disabling Ctrl+Shift+Backspace and Ctrl+Alt+F1?
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<johnny>
x should never disable the 2nd.. i've seen gdm make the first more difficult..
22:53
<cyberorg>
twb, ssh into the client
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<twb>
OK, where does bind write the active lease file, so I can find out its IP?
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<cyberorg>
twb, just check /var/log/messages
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<twb>
OK, that worked
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<twb>
I get this in Xorg.7.log before Xorg segfaults, when running "glxinfo":
23:16
(WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)
23:16
There are 49 such lines
23:16
Then, the last line is
23:16
getDrawableInfo failed to look up window
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<twb>
I have no idea what that means or why it's so crashing Xorg
23:21
Never mind, the ACPI warnings appear to happen even before I run glxinfo
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
23:30* johnny <3 rediscovering old music
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<alkisg>
Good morning everyone... :)
23:31
<twb>
johnny: John Dowland?
23:31
<johnny>
huh?
23:31
who is that
23:32* johnny listens to Pulley - Working Class Whore
23:32
<johnny>
old to me at least :)
23:33
<sbalneav>
So, I'm sitting here, trying to do a position description in OpenOffice where the template came from Word, and the only thing I can think of is:
23:34
This would be SO much faster in either docbook or LaTeX
23:34
F(^*&^$ WYSIWIG word processors
23:34
<johnny>
sbalneav, i wrote my resume in hrxsl
23:35
altho the pdf conversion seems broken atm..
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<alkisg>
WYSIWYG is nice, if the author uses it correctly (e.g. always use styles)
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<johnny>
or..
23:38
if the wysiwg is actually knowledgable of the format is is trying to use.. and exposes buttons based on the dtd/xml schema
23:38
so if i open up a new resume.. i'd get the elements that make up a resume
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