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Channel log from 15 July 2016   (all times are UTC)

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06:55
<Vladimir>
Hello, how can I mount an nfs device in ltsp-client? I tried fstab but it's overwritten by LTSP
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15:40
<Kamgha_>
Hey, having an issue getting a client to login. Boots up through PXELinux fine, gets to login screen and when i try to login I get into a loop of login, seems like a ldm or xserver crash, then boots me back out to login screen. syslog shows a NBD_Disconnect for received control failed
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16:16
<||cw>
Kamgha_: what OS and style? thin, fat, pnp...
16:22
<gehidore>
FAT FTW!
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16:40
<alkisg>
!nfs
16:40
<ltsp>
nfs: the protocol that serves the files needed by LTSP. You can find info at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
16:40
<alkisg>
!forget nfs
16:40
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
16:41
<MRH2>
hi what is advantage of non chroot vs chroot for implementation?
16:41
<alkisg>
!nfs
16:41
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'nfs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nfsnotresp'
16:42
<MRH2>
is it chroot is finer control? non chroot is quicker and simpler?
16:42
<alkisg>
!learn nfs as `to enable NFS home directories for localapps and fat clients, install nfs-kernel-server etc on your server, and put this inlts.conf: FSTAB_1="server:/home /home nfs defaults,nolock 0 0"`
16:42
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
16:42
<alkisg>
MRH2: chroots offer flexibility and some bugs
16:43
non-chroot offers simplicity without much flexibility, and some other bugs :D
16:43
<MRH2>
lol
16:43
thanks
16:43
:)
16:43
<alkisg>
E.g. grub or kernel or dbus postinst may have issues in chroots
16:44
Or graphicaljava installers may not work well in chroots
16:44
<MRH2>
if i want certain mountpoints on fat clients non exec do i have to use chroot?
16:45
<alkisg>
No, just FSTAB_*
16:45
!ltsp-pnp
16:45
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
16:45
<alkisg>
A rough rule is, if ltsp-pnp suits your needs, use it
16:46
If not, use chroots
16:48
<MRH2>
my main concern is mounting home tmp pretty much anywhere a user can write to as nonexec
16:48
(on a fat client)
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16:50
<alkisg>
Suppose a user creates a loopback file and mounts it with exec, how would you prevent that?
16:51
In any case, sure, that's doable with just 2 fstab lines
16:51
in lts.conf
16:51
<MRH2>
well they have hardware access - jsut trying to make it less convenient
16:54
do u know of a way to limit what a user can mount?
16:56
<alkisg>
No, I didn't have any users taking advantage of exec yet, so I didn't need to look into it. I imagine it's possible to disable fusermount rights.
16:57
<MRH2>
ok i'll put it in the read more queue :) but i'll settle for inconvenient on writable locations for the moment
16:58
1 more q - in a dual monitor situation does ldm still default to middle between both screens?
16:58
<alkisg>
In recent versions, no
16:58
<MRH2>
mirrored across both?
16:59
i am still waiting for mint 18 to install so i can try stuff out
16:59
<alkisg>
no, displayed only in the primary display
16:59
<MRH2>
ok
16:59
thanx
16:59
:)
17:00
<alkisg>
You're welcome
17:02
<MRH2>
off i go to try stuff out on mint 18 cinnamon ..... :)
17:02
<alkisg>
MRH2: why mint instead of e.g. ubuntu-mate?
17:03
(which is properly packaged?)
17:03
<MRH2>
i like cinnamon
17:03
<alkisg>
Mate also has cinnamon, doesn't it?
17:03
<||cw>
so does ubuntu
17:04
<alkisg>
Yup, ubuntu-mate...
17:05
<||cw>
I don't even recall what ubuntu i installed, just added the cinnamon-desktop package
17:05
I might have removed the original -desktop as well
17:05
<alkisg>
I think it's maintained as part of the mate flavor
17:05
<MRH2>
i thought it more of becoming seperate
17:05
like xfce
17:06
<alkisg>
It might be, I'm not using it
17:06
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=cinnamon
17:06
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/cinnamon-desktop-environment
17:07
Hmm that appears to use the gnome packages, not the mate packages, so I think I'm wrong to say it's connected to mate
17:07
<MRH2>
AFAIK it uses bits of gnome
17:07
<||cw>
it's very gnome-ish
17:07
<MRH2>
but is trying to also redo some of it's own apps
17:07
<||cw>
but not like gnome2
17:07
<alkisg>
In any case, I'd use any properly packaged desktop environment from the repositories, not from the mint cd, it's quite broken
17:08
<||cw>
I haven't used gnome proper in forever, so I don't know how it compares there
17:08
<MRH2>
i tried gnome 3 once
17:08
hope it is better now
17:08
<alkisg>
unity and gnome-3 need 3d acceleration, so we don't use them while there areclients out there that don't support 3d
17:09
<||cw>
I think cinnamon does as well, no?
17:09
<alkisg>
Yup, I think so
17:09
So it's not appropriate for e.g. thin clients, where there's no 3d accel over network
17:10
<MRH2>
am not sure if it is essential - my thick clients support 3d anyway
17:10
at least what i hope to use
17:10
<alkisg>
On a per setup basis, it's fine to select any DE that runs well, go for it
17:11
<MRH2>
i'll try ubuntu as well
17:11
see if i can get cinnamon without other stuff included
17:12
but i have had positive user experience on standard desktops with mint
17:12
<alkisg>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cubuntu
17:12
...just found that on google
17:13
<MRH2>
hmmm not a big unity fan
17:14
"100% Ubuntu Ultimate Edition" inspires me :P
17:14
<alkisg>
Known packaging issues isn't something that any user will complain for after a bit of mint use... but that doesn't mean that they aren't there
17:19
<MRH2>
i was hoping since 18 they align themselves even closer to ubuntu for most package management
17:19
however i will try both out
17:19
better to get it right
17:20
ok off to play..... thanks :)
17:20
<alkisg>
No, when they start packaging things correctly, it'll stop being a "distro" and it'll become a flavor
17:20
bb
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20:50
<procesos^referen>
hola tengo una consulta sobre epoptes (alguien habla español?)
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