IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 11 May 2020   (all times are UTC)

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<kvaps>
alksig: Hi, I synced my PRs with master, and updated ltsp-cloud package
12:38
Just found small regression, could you force rebuild the package?
12:38
alkisg*
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<alkisg>
kvaps: sure, done
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<kvaps>
alkisg: thx!
14:00
BTW, I wrote https://github.com/kvaps/dnsmasq-controller for Kubernets this is large step to run LTSP in Kubernetes :yay:
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<alkisg>
Yey!
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21:54
<lord4163>
Why doesn't LTSP support thin clients anymore? It kind of lost its value, not?
21:57
<vagrantc>
mostly because the underlying technology that LTSP used, remote X11 protocol, is growing poorly supported in many upstream projects
21:58
there's no support in wayland, for example, and many projects are moving to that...
21:58
on top of that, performance of network booted fat clients is much better with even very old hardware these days
21:59
it's been the recommended mode of operation for LTSP for roughly the last 10 years...
21:59
er, ... maybe only 6
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<lord4163>
I remember playing with LTSP many years ago and the performance was great. I have a server with decent specs and it would have been great to use a raspberry pi as a thin client.
22:01
<vagrantc>
how many years ago? ... it has been a gradual degradation over time.
22:02
some programs simply do not work at all, others have bugs in poorly tested code paths that only show themselves with remote X ...
22:02
<lord4163>
It was probably 7-8 years ago
22:03
<vagrantc>
i was also sad to see it go, but LTSP relied heavily on technology outside of LTSP that just isn't well supported anymore
22:04
<lord4163>
I don't know, Xorg is not dead yet?
22:04
<vagrantc>
i've heard of at least one project that implemented a thin client environment using the new LTSP
22:05
lord4163: Xorg still exists and works, but the network transparency support is bit rotting and not well tested
22:05
it wouldn
22:05
t be hard to implement a thin client with the new LTSP stuff, if you really want to test the state of affairs
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<lord4163>
I wonder if Wayland will get such features in the future?
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<vagrantc>
i don't think there's any intention to do so ... time will tell
22:12
with very powerful computers being quite affordable it also doesn't seem like thin clients will have a comeback ... i mean, people have computers in their pockets more powerful than massive servers of decades past
22:13
<lord4163>
Yeah, I guess it's a special use case.
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<vagrantc>
that said, we've already seen several cycles of thin to fat and back again
22:16
i think https://code.x2go.org/releases/source/x2gothinclient
22:16
is used with newer ltsp in some cases
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but requires x2go on the server ... heard mixed reviews about x2go
22:17
<lord4163>
I guess x2go is better than VNC, but still, can't come close to remote X right?
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