IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 December 2015   (all times are UTC)

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09:37
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, you around?
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12:47
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: yup?
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13:24
<cyberorg>
alkisg, hi, added ipxe support to this https://github.com/cyberorg/live-fat-stick
13:44
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, good.... merry Christmas! :-D
13:44
:P
13:44
How's the LTSP compatibility status for Ubuntu 16.04?
13:48
<cyberorg>
and Happy holidays as well folks :)
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15:08
<alkisg>
Hi cyberorg, I've made a grub script that boots .isos without linux needed to generate the menu, as it's generated dynamically on boot. It also supports windows installations in sticks/disks.
15:08
Hi Hyperbyte, Merry Christmas
15:08
I'm on 16.04 gnome-flashback now, it works fine except for client poweroff due to systemd
15:09
It's solvable with one line in lts.conf
15:48
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, that's nice.
15:48
Currently I'm using 14.04 with gnome-flashback
15:48
I'd like to switch to 16.04 with mate
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15:58
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: well, don't do that yet, it's not ready for production
16:00
Flashback has a couple of issues as well, white shadows for some windows, not resizable gedit and other windows that use client-side decorations etc
16:00
Eh sorry, mate might be ok
16:00
I've only seen mate 15.10 though
16:00
Why do you want to switch to mate instead of flashback?
16:05
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, it's not even released yet as far as I'm concerned. I mean once it's released. :-)
16:06
Isn't flashback sort of a dead horse? I don't think they do much development on it anymore?
16:06
<alkisg>
Flashback is a thin layer upon gnome 3, so it has all the new bells and whistles
16:06
<Hyperbyte>
And for x2go mate performs a heck of a lot better.
16:07
<alkisg>
Mate is gnome 2, i.e. old things
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16:07
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, but what kind of bells and whistles are those?
16:07
<alkisg>
I haven't seen any performance differences between those 2
16:07
<Hyperbyte>
Nothing I really find very appealing for business use.
16:07
<alkisg>
See the changelog between gnome 2 and gnome 3, I'm sure it's very massive
16:08
If possible, I prefer using the software that the developers develop, not the one that they left behind for the community to maintain it as legacy
16:08
That said, flashback has very few active developers, while mate has more
16:09
So there's a line there, if it's crossed and flashback is basically unusable, it won't matter anymore if it uses gnome 3 or not
16:09
<Hyperbyte>
I've had to do a lot of tweaking with flashback to get it how I want it.
16:09
With mate, everything just seems fine.
16:09
<alkisg>
With mate for example the file associations were all wrong
16:09
For 3 ubuntu releases they were unable to solve that
16:10
But the big bet there is if they'll continue supporting all the new technologies like gtk3, wayland, hidpi etc etc
16:10
It's a big task for hobbyists; while gnome 3 devs are paid devs
16:11
For me, it would be best if all mate devs joined the flashback project
16:11
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I actually don't care about the future TBH.
16:11
<alkisg>
So that it's gnome 3 with a different, 2d theme
16:11
16.04 uses systemd
16:11
If mate can't boot, you won't care?
16:11
<Hyperbyte>
I'll install this system with the latest Ubuntu, then it's staying with that version for 2 years.
16:11
After that, I'll see again which is better choice.
16:12
Last time I upgraded distro of this system was 2014.
16:20
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I don't think there's anyone else testing newer software with ltsp, so you might want to test 16.04 and ping me if something's not working as it should (in the ltsp code, not generally in 16.04)
16:20
I don't think I'll be testing mate until it will be too late in the ubuntu cycle to push it to debian and sync it to ubuntu
16:20
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I don't have the time I'm afraid.
16:21
<alkisg>
np
16:21
I was only doing it for you anyway :)
16:21
<Hyperbyte>
I have a project somewhere in may to upgrade all workstations to newer Ubuntu version.
16:21
<alkisg>
So it can stay broke for all I care :)
16:21
*broken
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16:21
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I appreciate... and I really do wish I could help you test this.
16:21
<alkisg>
I don't want help!
16:21
I was offering help in case you needed
16:21
it
16:22
<Hyperbyte>
But I actually can't test this at the moment. I'm really busy with some projects that require full attention.
16:22
<alkisg>
I don't mind if ltsp stays broken for 16.04 :)
16:22
Here we'll be using our PPA, which is fine for us
16:22
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I do mind... I do care. But that doesn't automatically mean I have resources to commit to doing something about it.
16:23
<alkisg>
Understandable
16:25
Let's hope the work I already did will be enough
16:27
<Hyperbyte>
I may be able to test something in februari.
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